Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Today on Super Normalize, I'm talking with D. Paul Fleming. He served in the US Navy and answered a deeper call, which was sacred service as a Native American holy man. And heyoka. He has spent a lifetime cleansing haunted properties and people and talks today about the importance of prayer and the methods of prayer and the connection to spirit and his backstory to all that as well. There is so much detail in this. I actually went through with him on this one in a instant Healing.
Well, instant. We did some prayer work together on the show, which was amazing. And now at the end of the episode when I'm recording this intro, most of my tickly throat is completely gone, which I'm totally amazed by because it's been irritating me for two weeks now. So thank you very much, Paul, for that and I'm sure that if you're into healing and change, this one's for you. Welcome to Super Normalize. D. Paul Fleming, I'm curious to know about your story because you've served the US in the Navy and had a, like a bit of a rough time there, to say the least, and then was called to becoming a Native American holy man and Hayuka. I'm interested in hearing everything around that story and what that means to you nowadays and how that actually informs you and your work. So welcome to the show.
[00:01:17] Speaker B: Well, thank you for having me. Cj, what part of Australia you in?
[00:01:21] Speaker A: I'm in the northeastern part, which is Queensland.
[00:01:26] Speaker B: East coast.
[00:01:27] Speaker A: Yeah, east coast. Up on a hill called Mount Tambourine.
[00:01:31] Speaker B: I didn't get to the east coast, but I was in Albany and I was in Perth.
[00:01:35] Speaker A: Okay, okay. You liked it?
[00:01:37] Speaker B: Loved it with 20 bucks in my pocket. Came back with 18.
Got some great women.
[00:01:43] Speaker A: Sounds like a journey in itself. Tell me about your, your time in the US Navy, if you don't mind. And, and give us a bit, a bit of a rounded out story about how you got to where you are.
[00:01:52] Speaker B: So went in the military at 17. I was a 4.0 soldier or sailor rather. Went through boot schools, went into the fleet, ended up doing a round the world cruise by the time I was 19.
[00:02:02] Speaker A: Wow, that's cool.
[00:02:03] Speaker B: Australia, west coast, Albany, Perth. We were protested by Greenpeace. You know, this is what, 40 years ago? 50 years ago. Australian forces took care of that. These things were good.
They didn't like nuclear powered submarines coming into their harbor. Long story short, if anybody wants to know where the original anchor to the USS Dallas is, it's got ties back to Australia.
[00:02:23] Speaker A: Yeah, right.
[00:02:24] Speaker B: I did my run. I was in for A total of six, but maybe tried to kill me a couple times. Didn't take. So I ended up getting retired on injuries that started another adventure in life. VA system and dealing with the government. It's always fun and kind of went about life, went into construction, figured out how to have a family and all that happy stuff while I was doing a lot of other things at the same time, including trying to figure out PTSD and side effects of military service.
It's been an interesting life.
[00:02:56] Speaker A: Now, what was the moment that you realized spirit work would be your life's work? I mean, it's. That's a. That's quite a big turnaround, a big change. Did you have some sort of revelation or how did you get connected to that?
[00:03:06] Speaker B: That's a lot to unpack. So. I've always been deeply spiritual, but I've always. It's always, you know, personal. Right. I didn't really promote it or talk about it much, but at a very young age, Christianity and Native Americanism is what I was around more so on the Native American side. And as I. As I grew into a teenager and such, I could see angels and things at churches. I had a feeling of spirits around me and all that. But I knew that from my first memories.
Right.
My faith and my spirituality and my abilities, all kind. They all intertwined. They're all one that's really curious.
[00:03:47] Speaker A: So when you were younger and started to have these experiences, was that like, something that happened all of your life or.
[00:03:54] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. You know, I. I was. I was in a tough environment growing up. My first memory was literally of being thrown across the room and breaking my ribs on the corner of a couch.
[00:04:05] Speaker A: That's tough.
[00:04:06] Speaker B: Parallel to that is understanding things that few understand, especially at a young age.
[00:04:11] Speaker A: Right.
So what did you understand at that age then? What, what, what. What conclusions did you draw about life and the meaning of it?
[00:04:23] Speaker B: Well, I knew. I've always known when people are lying, when they're full of. Because they change colors. And I see things. Wow.
When people tell the truth, these bubbles pop up and I see what they're talking about.
[00:04:32] Speaker A: That's cool.
Yeah.
[00:04:34] Speaker B: You know, when they make stuff up or start exaggerating, their energy changes and, you know, so I had a crazy stepfather. I could see the evil in him from day one. So look at him. And then I could look over here, and you could see the darkness in him and you could feel the evil. And you look over here, you go someplace else, and you see white light beings. And, you know, you try to figure it out. But you know, you ask questions or you say things, that gets people's attention, right. And then they start labeling you and, and so on. But one thing I, I learned at a young age, I can piss people off quickly. They say things and I say, that's not what you mean. What you mean is this.
I mean, they have shows about this sometimes where kids will say the darndest things. Right?
[00:05:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:05:15] Speaker B: You know, as a kid, you know, you're sensitive to things until the world kind of shuts you down. That's what the world tried to do to me. And you know, it just, it didn't take. I don't like trying to kill me in the Navy and a few other times it just didn't tick.
[00:05:27] Speaker A: Yeah, I can relate to that. Cause when I was younger as well, I had that no filter sort of thing going on with people that I could tell. And I'd say, oh no, you don't mean that. You mean this as well. I was doing the same thing and it was quite odd, but I actually got labeled a bit of a black sheep because of that, because I was just way too truthful. But the odd thing was is that some people wanted that truth and they'd come to me and ask, and I thought that was interesting. Why, why are they asking? But otherwise it was frowned upon.
You know, a lot of people live with masks and when they're living with masks, they don't even know it most of the time.
It's not authentic.
[00:06:06] Speaker B: Yeah. And I, like I said, I piss people off.
[00:06:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:11] Speaker B: I don't have a filter unless I spend time thinking about it, you know, but it's, it's not that easy, you know. Let me give you an example. Thirty years ago, my wife and I are in a bar, you know, doing what middle aged people do, and this girl, this bars cried out, crowded. It was a Friday night, you know, early, right. And this girl just brushed up against my arm without missing a beat. I just looked at her and said, oh, you have cancer. I had, There was no, not a filter. There was no ability to even know I was going to say it. And of course she, I mean, she's like right here and she is eyeballing me, face goes white. And her boyfriend, who was 11 foot, 14 inches tall, my God, about 9 meters in muscle, he had a look come over him. I'm like, jesus, here we go, right? She says, how do you know that? I just found out this morning and I haven't told anybody. And I just look at my wife and she knows she's just. She steps in and the lady wants to talk. This kid, you know, wants to talk. Young girl. I don't. I don't have any interest. Tell my wife to tell her. And, you know, all the questions. Why? How's he know? Blah, blah, blah. Those are the kind of things that happen to me daily. Daily.
[00:07:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:20] Speaker A: So it's like an ability that just comes through because spirit needs you to do the talking.
[00:07:25] Speaker B: Yes.
Hence hollow bone.
Yeah. What's a shaman? What's the basic ingredient of a shaman? It's a messenger.
[00:07:33] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:07:34] Speaker B: Layers on. Between the spirit world and the living. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:07:37] Speaker A: How did your military service shape the way you face danger in the spiritual field? Did that actually have any assistance in the way you see things?
[00:07:45] Speaker B: Sure. Right. You know, I mean, the military teaches you anger, right? So it teaches you never to quit. Right. Or people die. And you know it's true. Right. I used to have to fight fires on ship I was on, and that'll scare the hell out of you until you go through enough of them. Right. So, yeah, military helped build, you know, the person that's here. Right. Help put pieces in place to be able to go and do some of the. Some of the tougher stuff that's required. You know, removing darkness and doing battle with some pretty. Pretty dark forces.
[00:08:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Give you, like a.
Like a hard outer shell that allows you to be more resilient and work with them more.
What would you say? Commandingly? Actually, yeah.
[00:08:29] Speaker B: I would say that once again, you know, if you're going to do what I do and God called you to do it, he's going to put you through the crucible, because if he doesn't, then you're going to fail. When.
When you don't want to fail. I'll give you a guarantee. You don't want to fail when you're facing some layers of darkness.
[00:08:45] Speaker A: Definitely.
[00:08:46] Speaker B: You don't want to be afraid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:08:50] Speaker A: Can you tell the story of how granddaughter Crow bestowed the title of a holy man upon you? And how did that ceremony change you?
[00:08:58] Speaker B: So I won't get into ceremonies. Right.
Those are sacred and.
[00:09:02] Speaker A: Of course.
[00:09:03] Speaker B: Yeah. That way. And I'm going to leave it at Granddaughter Crow bestowed the title of seasoned holy man upon me.
I'm not gonna. I'm not really gonna talk about it much more than that.
[00:09:13] Speaker A: Okay. And what does that mean to you?
[00:09:15] Speaker B: There's sacred honors that go along with these things.
[00:09:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, understood.
[00:09:18] Speaker B: Not about to break trust.
[00:09:20] Speaker A: No, I completely understand that. Yeah. No, I'm just asking around. It Just in case there's anything that you'd like to explain and.
[00:09:25] Speaker B: Oh, no, that's a great question. And I know you've got some more that you're reluctant to ask, but go ahead and ask them.
I can feel you have, you know, you have some fear towards trepidation towards who and what I am. I get it. You know, it happens to virtually everybody.
[00:09:39] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:09:40] Speaker B: Into a room. Half the room hates me, the other half loves me. I can answer why, but I understand. So go ahead and ask whatever you want to ask.
[00:09:45] Speaker A: Sure. So how do you hold both the Christian faith and Native practice without compromising either?
[00:09:53] Speaker B: Well, you know, that's. That's the $6 million question. Everybody keeps asking me that same question. Hundreds of them.
I've got to answer that by turning it back on the folks listening. What's your understanding of a Native American? What's your understanding of a Native American? Faith and belief Understandings. Right. Does anybody know? So how do I answer that question? Because I'm starting from a disadvantage now. How does that reflect on your Christianity? How many different denominations of Christianity is there? Catholic, which my wife is, and I've supported that my entire life. I'm Catholic, all right. But I spend a ton of time studying and researching, you know, many faiths, especially the different divisions of Christianity. So to answer your question, with that labored answer that I started to me again, My faith is deeply, deeply personal. And when I'm working with folks, I try to get them to do the same. Find the pieces in faith or religion or both, because they're separate to me. That resonate with you? What does that mean? Does that mean go have nine wives? Look, it's not what I'm saying. Talking about your relationship with what you consider to be whatever's highest, whatever's above, whatever's almighty, whether it's God, Great Spirit, Buddha, whatever it is that you resonate with. Okay? Because you got to follow your soul. Right. When you do that, you. You'll find your intent. And intent is what truly is behind frame. So when you're working with the spirit world, they don't care what you say.
They care about your intent. Right. Now, what do I mean by that? Well, when people apologize to somebody, they all know whether they mean it or not. Siblings have a fight, and mom says, apologize to your brother. Ah, you suck. I'm sorry. Yeah. You mean it, right? Husband and wife have a fight? Yeah, absolutely.
Do you mean it? Intent? So your prayers and your relationship of the Almighty is about your intent, and the reverse is true. If Your intent is there. You open yourself up to, again, what do you believe in? The baby Jesus. But follow your path. Follow your red road. What's a red road? Red road's Native American terminology for your spiritual path. Right.
So in following my red road, it parallels my necessity to study and learn about my history. And my history is Native American. Right. But my history is also other things. But that's what I resonate most with. So to me, a lot of time in nature and sacred ceremonies, and those things resonate with me. For those who are hardcore, you know, dot, dot, dot, pick the religion, okay? It doesn't. Doesn't matter what it is. They're all going to poo poo somebody else's stuff, okay? And that's not what I do. But the way I do things will cause religious folks, again, faith and religion, two different things. Religious folks to say, oh, my God, you're going to hell. Okay?
Or.
Right. Fill in the blank. So again, for me, it's deeply personal. I've always followed what resonates with me or when I get off that path, it's always what's inside of me that pulls me back to where I'm supposed to be.
Two different worlds. As the, you know, as most people see it, a Native American holy man and somebody who absolutely loves the baby Jesus. Remember, I didn't say I love church, so I love the baby Jesus. Baby Jesus teaches that he's inside of all this. So is Mother Nature. So is the energy that surrounds us. There's a Lakota saying, mittakuye Oyasin, we are all one. But if you go to a reservation, sure, don't look that way. But if you follow history of Native Americans, it never was that way. How do. How do tribes expand the way they've expanded? Because groups of people have disagreements and they pack up their teepees and they move to four trees down, and they start over and they adjust. And they're slightly different than the tribe next to them or the sect of the tribe next to them. That same mentality goes on across the world. So what I do, what I believe in and what my faith is is no different than the way things have been for tens and tens of thousands of years. Wow.
[00:14:03] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. That was a excellent answer, and I appreciate it. Thank you. Now, I understand that you also do spirit clearings for land and homes. Do you have any practical steps that you take when someone calls about a property that is experiencing issues with spirits?
[00:14:21] Speaker B: Yeah, you forgot people.
[00:14:22] Speaker A: Okay. People as well.
[00:14:25] Speaker B: People are always fun because now you're battling. Battling two things.
You're battling the living, right, who doesn't know what the hell they're doing, and you're battling the darkness, which does know what it's doing. Right? So people ask me all the time, what's the scariest thing you've ever seen? And I. And I tell that story, but there's only one time that I've been truly afraid. Other than that, the only thing I fear is the living. Dark side's predictable. Living isn't living, man. These. These people are crazy. I mean, crazy. We've pulled real deep, dark shit out of people, and period of time goes by, and they're right back in there. Why? They felt more comfortable with a dark entity stuck to them than they do figuring out life. That's true. And I'm. And I know right now that a vet that I've been working with, I've known this for some time now, we pulled him off the ledge years ago, but he keeps going back to that, almost like an addict. Right? Except without the drugs and alcohol, he won't make it. He'll commit suicide here. That's not too far down the road because again, we've taken the stuff out of him and he. And he brings it back. Now that I went on that diet tribe, I forgot what the heck your question was.
[00:15:26] Speaker A: One second.
[00:15:27] Speaker B: Sorry.
[00:15:27] Speaker A: I'm recovering from a throat cold.
Okay. So the question was around practical steps that you take when someone calls about a haunted property, and as you mentioned, a person as well.
[00:15:37] Speaker B: So for me, it's.
It's like you really don't see this or see my approach on shows or hear about it much, because again, when I connect with people, I can see, sense, and know already what's going on. So we had a podcast last night, and early yesterday morning, my outer protection layers, I could hear this lady tapping on my protection. Tap, tap, tap. And I kept hearing this, tap, tap, tap. My gatekeeper, you know, make the connection. And it was the wife of this person. We're meeting with people we're having a podcast with. And I forgot where the hell I was going with that.
[00:16:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Talking about the practical steps to.
[00:16:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
So, you know, for me, if somebody reaches out, I know I tend to know more about them before they open their mouth. And then when I communicate with them, whether it's email or phone or on the Internet, I learn an awful lot about them quickly. Right. You know, and I'm able to know more than they know. And when they speak again, I can tell you how accurate they are or they are not. Right. So my preparation, you know, in meeting with people or looking at into land or things that have something on them is more about connecting and letting the spirit world kind of fill in the blanks. Right, right.
Sometimes I have to get close enough to see things, and sometimes I have to bring in others. You know, one of the. One of the guys we were working on, I knew he had something really nasty attached to him, but all I could see was this thick cord coming off of his right foot.
And then it just went. It goes clear. You know, that's not right. They wouldn't let me see what was there. So some of the other folks I work with, I reach out and say, hey, look at this guy and tell me what you're seeing. And he, you know, somebody else had to go through a ceremony and get om deh and could see what was there. And it was like. I figured it was a pretty. Pretty dark entity. No One that kind of circles around and keeps coming back all over the place. So the preparation for it for me is that I'm always prepared for it. That's not a challenge to the universe. That means I am in a constant state of prayer and protection, and I'm surrounded by some pretty powerful forces that keep me doing what I'm doing.
[00:17:46] Speaker A: I'm curious about the constant state of prayer and protection. Is, is there anything you actually naturally do, or is that just something that's actually developed over time?
[00:17:53] Speaker B: I'm going to say the answer is both. Or can you ask that one more time?
[00:17:57] Speaker A: I'm just curious to know whether it's something that you naturally do. So, like, it's a part of your whole system, or is. Is there practices that you do daily to keep it bolstered?
[00:18:07] Speaker B: Yeah, the answer is both. When I was young, I used to have to do things to fight off the darkness. Okay. Especially around this crazy bastard that was a stepfather. So I was always under attack, and that's. And it felt that way unless I could get a distance away, a certain distance away. And then I. You know, I would be relieved, and it was almost like having the flu. You know, I'd start recovering. But I learned to pray at a very, very, very young age. And I couldn't read for most of my life, most of my even young adulthood. So I would have to memorize prayers. Okay. So I would listen to them and I would literally memorize, and then I would repeat those as mantras. And the more. More the intent was pure, the closer I could feel all the white light around me and in the universe. And, you know, when I go by somebody or people pass me, I can feel sense and know that. So I never, never unbroke that habit. It just never did. And that. That is part of what shaped me to where I am now. I mean, I. When I fall asleep, I'm in some form of prayer, if you will. Okay. When I get up, before I get up, I'm in some kind of prayer, right? Asking for the day. And honestly, sometimes, you know, it'd be fair to your viewers, sometimes it's like, this fucking sucks, you know? You know, do I really want to get up and do this shit? Well, just like the rest of you, right? That's when I lean on God and tell you, hey, send me some extra coffee or something, man, because this. This day doesn't look all that fun. Again, not the right way to start your day. But let's. Let's be real, right? As hard as I work at doing what I do, you know, just like everybody else, three out of seven days suck. Or four, depending on your week.
[00:19:50] Speaker A: Yeah. I think it gets the best of us at all times, but.
Yeah. I'm curious to know, though, do you have any tips on prayer or specific prayers that you actually like to use.
[00:19:58] Speaker B: Often or any tips on prayer?
[00:20:01] Speaker A: Yeah, because, I mean, a lot of people don't know how to pray. I would say that, yeah. Because, you know, everyone's so distracted all the time.
[00:20:07] Speaker B: What.
[00:20:08] Speaker A: What does prayer mean to you when it comes to, like, how you teach?
[00:20:12] Speaker B: Let me teach everybody how to pray.
Back to what I already said.
[00:20:15] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:20:15] Speaker B: What is your intent? So let's pick something to pray for right now. Cj, Pick a topic, pick a person, pick yourself, pick your cat. Pick something.
[00:20:23] Speaker A: Peace on earth. No, can't do it. Okay.
[00:20:25] Speaker B: How would we. How would we pray for peace on earth, short of a generic prayer? Because is your heart pure enough to truly mean it? Serious question. Yeah. Is your heart pure?
[00:20:34] Speaker A: I don't. Don't think it. Well, I would say no. Then in that case, you know, because I'm not.
[00:20:38] Speaker B: That doesn't mean you have to hate nobody. You can't even dislike somebody.
[00:20:42] Speaker A: Okay?
[00:20:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:43] Speaker A: Okay. Well, in that case, I'm not.
[00:20:44] Speaker B: Pure person on this planet that doesn't hate somebody, call me, because I have got to meet that person, because they are either the next Dalai Lama or his grandson.
[00:20:53] Speaker A: Okay? So in that case, let's do a prayer just for. I mean, I've had. I've had a. A little cold that just keeps on tickling my throat. And it hasn't been left now for two weeks.
[00:21:01] Speaker B: And we can truly do this with intent. Now, that could be a healing.
[00:21:06] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:21:07] Speaker B: Right. A part of what I am is a hell of a healer. Why? Because this has the ability to heal people? No, because I've. I've been asked by Great Spirit to be a hollow bone, move God's light through me to help others and to answer their prayers. I see angels in churches all over the place. And when I don't see an angel in the church, I warn. I don't warn people. I tell people, be careful. In certain churches, when people go to These churches, like St. Joseph's in my hometown, there's an angel there. I've seen her my whole life. She listens to every single prayer, but she can only act on the ones that have intent behind it. Meaning this. You truly are sick. You have something going on. So for me, what I'm doing is I'm focusing on you. So when you want to say a prayer that you want to help somebody, heal somebody, or get answers for yourself, you have to pull yourself in, suck your energy into yourself, and think about the core of who and what you are and why you're offering this prayer.
Okay, why am I saying that? Well, if you're going to pray for somebody and that person turns out to be a mass killer and you help them overcome the flu, and then three days later they go out and murder 100 people, how effective was that prayer?
It's crazy, doesn't it?
[00:22:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:25] Speaker B: So if your intent is pure and you pray with a pure, with that, you're doing everything you can to channel, funnel, or receive the true light to heal.
Let me give you a story to back that up. And I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you the power of prayer, or I'm going to let you deduce the power of prayer in this story some years ago.
And I've got to qualify this because up until last week, I've always said this story kind of third party and didn't accept my role in it. And I've been told that I need to not just write a book on miracles, but you need to start accepting more of the credit for being a part of these things that are going on. So a number of years ago, this guy was working for my wife. He was a. He was another. He was a veteran. And he just reaches out and says, listen, I, I've. I've taken some time off and I don't want to get fired, but I, I've got to approach your wife and take another day off. Can I talk to you? And I've got something else I need to. To deal with. All right. So I met with him, and at the heart of his story was that his wife was six months pregnant. And they went for an ultrasound, and the baby was all apart. The insides are on the outside. And when he was telling me what he was, you know, the ultrasound. And I can see it because these bubbles pop up and I see inside the womb, and I can see everything's all over the place. Okay. I mean, it's like roadkill. As I'm listening to him, I'm also hearing from the spirit world what to do. So malachite. Malachite is a healing energy. So the message was, you need to go home, get a hold of malachite, and like I say, I charge it up. So I go home, I pray, I meditate, and again, I'm not influencing this decision one way or another. I hope everybody's paying attention to how I'm saying these things. Okay? Because I'm not influencing things one way or another. What I'm doing is I'm lining up the spirit world. I'm making the connections. And here is the connection point. May seem stupid to some. No.
[00:24:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:18] Speaker B: Right. So I took this stone after I meditated and prayed and listened to the spirit world, went back to him, and I put this in his hand, and I said, put your hand out. Put it there. And I said. I closed it and I said, don't open that hand. Don't open that hand. I don't care what you believe in, as long as it's the white light side of the veil, not the negative side, the dark side, you know? And he says, well, we believe. I said, it doesn't matter to me what you believe in. Do you believe in good or bad? Well, good. All right, then you need to take this stone, go home, put it in your wife's hand, close her hand like I closed yours, and tell her to sit down and pray. He said, oh, we don't really know how to pray. And said, yes, you do. We're not really religious. I don't want to hear it.
Don't stop talking. Do what I'm telling you to do. Just go home, put it in her hand, and talk to whatever it is and tell them what you want. Okay? You just want to clean yourself out and start over, or do you want something else? I'm giving you the connection. Now it's up to you and your intent. Late the following day, Again. The next day, I was supposed to have this abortion, pull this roadkill out of the inside woman. And I do apologize for calling it roadkill. I just don't know a better word for a baby that's all torn apart inside a womb. Right?
[00:25:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:25:31] Speaker B: So next day, I'm at my wife's office, and this guy comes barreling in. My wife and I are out in the parking lot, and as he does, my wife says, what's this about? And I said, this one's going to be interesting. This one's going to be interesting, babe. Okay? He jumps out of his truck, he's got tears on his face, and he's. Snot's bubbling, and he's screaming and crying all in the same breath. What the did you do to that? What the fuck did you do? What did you do? And I can feel him. And I already knew. I already knew. And he all but dropped to his knees and said, how did you do that? And said, I gave you a stone. I gave you nothing more except I put some faith in you that you turned around and went home, did everything I said. He goes, yes, sir. Okay. And what happened? Oh, the nurse did an ultrasound before we would start the procedure. She said, oh, my. Walked out, came back with a doctor. He went out, brought another one. Then the chief of the place comes in and says, well, I guess we won't be performing a surgery unless you want to abort a perfectly healthy fetus.
[00:26:27] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:26:28] Speaker B: A baby. So I looked at him and I said, which are you more concerned about? With what happened in the last 24 hours or the fact that your baby is healthy? Or is it the third option? And he goes, what's the third option? Power of prayer. Clearly, your wife's intent. And when I said that, he said, when I put that stone in her hand, she didn't stop praying in the baby's room. As her first child, it would be their first child. Until he had to take her to this procedure, she never stopped praying. That is the power of prayer. So when I put myself. And I'm in a constant state of readiness, if you will, and it's tiring, so that I can make those connections and help people help themselves. So how would I pray for you? Well, cj, I've already been doing it. Because while I'm giving you this dialogue of this true story, okay? Because even the books that I write, I don't write fiction. People keep saying it's fiction. Not to me, it isn't. Not to the spirit world, it isn't. And not to those who live it. I'm sending you healing. Now. How am I doing that? Well, the same way I just explained to you, I'm a hollow bone with the gifts and ability to talk to the spirit world, drawing white light. And like I tell everybody, imagine you have a giant funnel on your head and you're praying to the white light forces of the universe and only the white light forces of the universe to bring in and then fill in the blank. What does that mean? Well, if you're looking for healing for your throat or your chest, okay. And you pull in white light and you can do it by just imagining it come in view and going where you need it. Where does it come out of the majority of people? Out of their palms. That's why you see people raise their palms, right? Or do this with their palms or historically you will see people lay their hands on people to heal. So you're pulling in the energy and it's coming out of your hands and come out of my chest as well. And you can do this from distance, you can do this from any place on the globe or standing beside somebody. So while we're talking, I have asked the spirit world to send you healing, to heal the blackness that's in your chest and causing your throat to close. Now, if we want to do that together. Great Spirit, I come to you with humble and respect. I beg of you, send healing light, send healing energy to jc. Heal his chest, heal his throat. And as I'm saying that, jc, I can see that you've got blockages and things going on that you really need a clearing. What is a clearing? That gets deep down, down range of what I and others do. I hope that answered your question.
[00:28:56] Speaker A: Oh, it definitely answered my question.
[00:28:57] Speaker B: I've got some short prayers that most people know.
Every, you know, every generic Christian prayer out there works exactly the same as just saying whatever comes out of your mouth.
Intent to help somebody. Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. While I'm saying that, I'm concentrating on healing you and telling my intent to the spirit world, where intent is to heal.
I don't know what time it is in Australia, but you're either going to need a nap after this discussion or you're going to sleep better tonight than you have in a long time.
[00:29:36] Speaker A: Excellent. Thank you for that. That's, that's the most well rounded description of prayer and intent and how that works together. I mean that, that's, that's gold. Thank you very much. When you actually work with a case that Feels dangerous. How do you protect yourself?
Yeah, it's. It's starting to actually feel less tight in there, which is really nice.
[00:29:57] Speaker B: I know. And. And your. And your fear has faded.
[00:30:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:01] Speaker B: Because you think differently of me, but because your soul has quieted down.
Here's what happens when I get near people, all the shit they don't want people to know, they know I know it, and it terrifies people. Okay, again, I write books that start off with how do I tell this secret? Right. So I can feel all that cj. And with you calming down, those questions are going to flow a lot easier.
[00:30:27] Speaker A: Well, I'll let you in on another secret then. In that. In that case. At the moment, I'm doing a shadow work course and that's going through all of my.
Would you say, like, parts. What's this?
[00:30:41] Speaker B: Granddaughter's latest book is called Shamanism and your shadow.
Wow.
[00:30:46] Speaker A: How important is that? That's cool.
[00:30:48] Speaker B: So reach out to granddaughter Crow. Tell her you talked with me and I strongly recommend her books.
[00:30:55] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure.
[00:30:56] Speaker B: Working on your shadow self, you gotta connect with granddaughter Crow because that woman's amazing with her abilities to explain and extrapolate.
[00:31:04] Speaker A: I'd love to talk to her. I'd love to talk to her. That'd be great.
[00:31:07] Speaker B: And you do remember something else? Yeah. Her grandfather. She's named after her grandfather who was a full blooded Navajo. Her father was a full blooded Navajo, but Joy is half Navajo and half Dutch. Okay, how was I going with that? My apologies. That's okay. She doesn't just hold the title of Granddaughter Crow and part of the Navajo reservation, she's all. Her title is also Dr. Joy Gray. Okay. She's got a. She's got a doctorate in college. I mean, she's a very smart college girl.
[00:31:38] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:31:38] Speaker B: On top of doing what I do.
[00:31:40] Speaker A: She'S bridging all worlds.
[00:31:41] Speaker B: Brilliant lady.
[00:31:42] Speaker A: Bridging all worlds. That's fantastic.
[00:31:44] Speaker B: Yes. Right? You don't hear a lot of people ask her about her Christianity because, you know, she might just throw a rocket.
[00:31:51] Speaker A: Excellent. When you are actually working with a case that's intense and can feel dangerous, how do you protect yourself physically, mentally and spiritually? I mean, a lot of people run around out there. They don't even realize that we're swimming in a world of spirits.
Not all of them have good intentions.
[00:32:07] Speaker B: I know there's a lot of sharks floating around the continent of Australia.
I look at it the same way. Right. You're going to. You're going to stick your foot in the ocean. You better know there's sharks out there.
[00:32:18] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:32:18] Speaker B: The odds are you're not going to see one, but when you see a fin, you better open your eyes.
So how do I.
So, all right, how do I want to explain this one? When I was young, like everything else in life, you fear what you don't know, right? And once you figure it out, like boot camp, this buildup of boot camp and all this was going to be tough. Boot camp was so easy, it was stupid. And yet another guy in my boot camp company tried to kill himself. Couldn't take it, couldn't take any. Yelled at, all right? To me, boot camp was boring. So the fear building up to go into boot camp was pointless. Right? The same with darkness. I'm not telling you not to fear darkness. I'm telling you that what we fear is what we don't know. So the more I learned about how the spirit world works and how darkness works, how the universe works, and again, I've only got a tiny fraction of knowledge on it, but, you know, a little bit more than most. As I. As I kept getting exposed to more and more of this and knocking the chips down and winning battles and learning lessons and so on, you know, kind of lost my. My fear of the darkness, right? And then I got really stupid. And I mean really stupid. You know, a number of decades ago, I had said, I'm. I'm tired of this, and I gotta. I gotta stop for a moment. Great Spirit, with all humble and respect, I am not saying this. I'm repeating a story. It is not my end. So I decided I had enough. I don't want to know anymore. And I said to all the white light beings around me, go away. Okay? Again, I'm just saying it to tell a story, said to make sure I'm safe, okay? Because I don't want to make this mistake again ever again.
[00:33:53] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:33:53] Speaker B: So I was having the classic pity party, right, that we all have. Life sucks. Why am I doing. Why am I. Blah, blah, blah. So I'd had enough, and I was tired of the voices and the ghosts and all of it, so I pushed it back the second it literally took my intent. Again, free will is very, very real, okay? Free will. So my free will, I. About three seconds into white light pushing back, along with my protection, in came this serpent thing. Kind of looked like a moray eel, all right? Except it was floating through the air, very close distance to me. I could both see it in my head and see it with my eyes, all right? And as it came in and as my protection all the white light beings, my gatekeeper, and all those that are around me to protect me, pulled back. I could feel evil. True evil. Evil like I'd never sensed ever before, ever. Then I could smell it and hear it, taste it. My eyes hurt. And I said, sweet Jesus. I effed up and I flipped my intent as fast in a 180 as you can possibly change your mind. And I instantly begged the baby Jesus to surround me in his life. And I begged my spirit guides to pull back. Okay, the damage is already done. I was dumb enough to let darkness enter my world. I'll never make that mistake again. For any of you people fucking around with Ouija boards or going out there ghost chasing. You don't know what you're doing. You know, I'm the guy that you. That the people that you go for help to get help from, they're the ones that call me when you stepped on something bigger than a bear trap. As this thing was coming at me, it said one thing, and it was. Wasn't out loud. It was in my head. I'm taking your soul. That was it. I have never apologized so hard, so graciously in my existence. And I pray I never have to again. Right, okay. Now, you would think it would be over, right? No, it's not how the game works, okay? So now I'm praying to not just the baby Jesus, but Archangel Michael and every archangel out there, along with the angels that are around me. And the battle ensued. And I'm watching this play out as they are fighting for my soul. I've seen Archangel Michael and so on, and when he came in and did battle with this, with other warriors, I mean, what do I say? It was biblical.
It was insane. And I was witnessing it. And from that moment forward, I knew. I knew. Not only did I knew I fucked up, but I knew that I have to take this as seriously as the spirit world takes me being here.
They were willing to fight to their death for my soul. I better be willing to do the same. And from that moment forward, I've never had fear of darkness again. But what did they do to me? There's a price for everything we do. So I can no longer feel evil, can't sense it, can't know it. I can see it. But I need my wife or somebody else to tell me whether something's evil or not. I still. I don't fear it, okay? But I go into situations where my wife and others will turn around and leave, and they'll say, nope, too strong. I say, okay. And Then I do what I do, right? And the fear, the warning that keeps popping up is I have to be. I'm warned. Don't.
I can't fill in the don't. Okay. But, you know, I learned my lesson. I'm going to leave it at that.
[00:37:06] Speaker A: Wow, that's an experience and a half. And when evil like that turns up, I can't say I've experienced that level of evil, except for some contact I've had with spirits that were possessing people and to the point where they'd shapeshift in front of me, and it was, you know, highly disturbing. And at the time, I also had other spirits that were helping me as well, and they were shielding me a little and saying, don't be scared of this. You need to know this. And it was quite. Quite a shocking sort of time, but it didn't have that. I mean, they said it was evil, but I think they were actually keeping me from feeling that.
They said this being was evil, but they actually kept me out of the fear so I could listen at the time. So I learned my lesson from that, too, and ended up getting away from that being and. And the work that we were doing together and because I. I was actually a computer programmer at the time, and it was creating software that shouldn't be created, which was an AI, an early AI based on probability. So, yeah, I can't fathom what that would be like to experience that level of. Of evil approaching you in that way. No, I don't want to. I'm not. I'm not interested in. In that I'm for the light. And from what I do with this work with this podcast has helped bring many more people to an understanding of the light and their connection to it. So I was curious to know about one of your cases there. Can you tell us about the Wyndham Inn case in a way that reveals the pattern behind the haunting?
[00:38:32] Speaker B: Yeah. So the Wyndham end. Right. This is a hell of a story. So I don't really investigate much more. I just. I listen and I. You know, I don't. I don't do the work that people do. Like, you see, they go. And they. They go into buildings and they look around these things. Okay. This building just happens to be not far from where I live, and I've seen the stuff that's inside this for decades. Okay.
[00:38:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:52] Speaker B: The story came. Have you read the book yet or no?
[00:38:55] Speaker A: No, I haven't read it yet. I'm gonna have to read it.
[00:38:57] Speaker B: Main character is a guy named Master Gary. Yes, Called Master Gary by the. By the spirits and so on. That Master Gary is a guy I grew up with, right? He showed up at my house, which is a no, no. Okay. Very few people show up at my house, but we grew up together and it was allowed, right? He just starts telling me about his experiences when he lived at the Window Men. And as he's telling me this, I'm watching these bubbles pop up and showing me his story. And then they're showing me these battles and the spirits that are in there. And I can hear my spirit guide saying, that's your next book. That's your next book. And then they're saying, no, it's a series, okay? And I'm like, great. So that. That's how it came about. And I said, why am I telling the story? You know, what is the. What is the hook here? What is the point? And the answer is simple. There are so many lessons inside these stories that I tell where people don't realize how I'm weaving the story into real life events. So they look at it and say, you know, this never happened. And people that were around the inn say, oh, I've seen this part. I've seen this. The story came about by an old friend who used to live there. Guy grew up with telling me his thing about this black cat that used to attack him in his room. And when he would turn on the light, there would be no cat, and yet he'd have scratches all over him.
[00:40:17] Speaker A: Wild.
[00:40:18] Speaker B: So jokingly I said, don't your girlfriend respond to the scratches? Right? He goes, that's not funny. This to me. How do you explain you guys scratches on your back when you're home, supposed to be sleeping? Well, that's how the story came about. And as soon, as soon as that agreement I made, I said, okay, I'll do this. I started hearing all the ghosts and the spirits that are not just in the property, but around the property. And then I just started listening to them. And they, they. They have versions of stories that are so far afield of the historical record, it's. It's crazy. The last part of that is that there are mysteries inside the mysteries. What do I mean by that? Well, there's codes in the writing that somebody has to figure out. Somebody's already reached out and picked up one piece so far. And recently, the folks that now own this property, they're turning it into a museum. So it's a. It's not abandoned, but it's shut down. You really can't get in there. But they're doing some demolition on this building. And they just released something about a year ago. It said we opened up a wall and they had barricaded all of this stuff in behind the wall. And when they said that, I went, yep, I know it. I know why they did that. So these people don't know that they opened up something that was intentionally closed off?
[00:41:31] Speaker A: Oh, no.
[00:41:32] Speaker B: So the timing of the book and them doing this thing is all kind of wild, if you will.
But the historical story behind it, the hanging of Miss Elizabeth twice, is factual details that, you know, they say she was only hung once, but spirit world tells me otherwise. So it's a fascinating story. And in book three, I start getting into. The book is titled the hanging of Miss Mary or Miss Elizabeth.
And it starts getting into the unholiness of the hanging and why now here's where it gets really wild. About 20 minutes from where I live, I have a sister who lives in this particular town called Hampton. And she's been there for 30 years, maybe more. Maybe, probably more. Probably 40 years. And from the very first time I went out there, I knew there was stuff all around it, all around it. Eventually I had to go do work in my sister's house and get some elementals out of there. They were tough. There were some tough bastards to get out of there. But I've always seen across the street in this heavily wooded part of the world, these women who are dressed in blue, okay, you know, the bonnets, the apron, right out of the 1600s. And I've always seen them, but I never really paid them any nevermind. But they stand right at the edge of the road, you know, like a foot off of where the tar starts on this back road. And it's not a small back road, okay? Full size back road. And they would just watch me, okay? And I, again, I see this all the time. So I never paid it any nevermind until I started doing the book on the window men. And all of a sudden I realized that those spirits out in the Hampshire were the part of the original clans that came out and settled Windham Center. They're the ones that broke the boulder that used to sit on top of the hole that kept darkness from reentering.
[00:43:18] Speaker A: Oh yeah, wow.
[00:43:20] Speaker B: They broke that boulder up. They were called the Gray ladies then. And then they morphed into the witches of Hampton because they were gray ladies coming out of the Salem witch trials, if you will. So in the early 1700s, late 1600s, governors from colonies finally said, no more burning of witches. Well, in that you know, although it was no longer legal, they were still doing it. So they changed their name, you know, so that they would be considered gray ladies, and eventually became the Witches of Hampton. They're still here. That's intense all the time right now, to back that story up. In the introduction to the book, I tell the reader, listen, you don't have to believe me. Just go 50 miles across the other side of Connecticut, the eastern part of the United States, to a place called Dudleytown. What's Dudleytown? Google it. Dudleytown, Connecticut, usa. Google it, I dare you. But don't connect to it. Dudleytown is another place where a Native American community thousands of years ago put a boulder on top of a hole, if you will, to keep darkness from coming back. Colonials came in, broke it all up, okay? They were told not to. And that town blossomed and then imploded. And to this day, nobody will go inside the perimeter of Dudleytown. Okay? And there's places all over the world like this. But what I've warned people in this book is if you don't be careful with this property, you're going to open it up to the same thing that happened in Dudleytown that came close to happening when these witches of Hampton broke this boulder. But part of the reason they hung Ms. Elizabeth, the unholy hanging, was because she was on the white light side of keeping these things in the ground. Okay, I can't go any further. We'll start doing a spoiler alert. Yeah. Wow.
[00:45:02] Speaker A: Look, I look forward to reading that. That sounds amazing and a little terrifying at the same time because, I mean, people are so unconscious when it comes to history. I mean, if you have a seer that's walking along with you and says, don't touch that boulder, you'd be all right. But most people go, no, that's just a bottle. Let's move it. You know, they don't think about why things happen and they don't have that connection to the spiritual. To know that, you know, you shouldn't touch the boulder.
[00:45:27] Speaker B: Again. You know, they just look at the Native Americans as folklore and stupid and.
[00:45:31] Speaker A: You know, it's just so. It's so ignorant. It's crazy, you know? But, I mean, we've got to both agree, though, that the world is turning and people are actually starting to really embrace the connection to spirit and animism again, which is a good thing.
[00:45:45] Speaker B: So I gotta tell you, two years ago, I was looking at this and saying, man, this. This world's a mess, right? I was looking at the churches, and you Know, watching the numbers, nothing's coming back post Covid. Covid. And I'm like, man, they brought in Covid and now, you know, you empty the churches and again, once people leave something, it's hard to get them back. Doesn't matter. Vfw, American Legion, you know, veterans organizations, once you get out of it for a period of time, okay, it takes almost an act to get back into it.
So the faithful, right, you know, they, they flocked back. And then something started to change and I started watching, you know, the pews fill up, listening to my wife about things that she's part of the board for her church and so on. And then I started watching the, the other things around the world. Not getting into politics, but, you know, I watched as Christianity really started. I don't want to see making a comeback, but something shifted where people said, this is just wrong, where is right and they're finding their faith. Okay, yes, whatever. The, this is wrong, doesn't matter. I'm just telling you the feel that I get. And they're turning back to faith and they're being rewarded by it.
[00:46:55] Speaker A: No, I totally agree with you. I, I'll give you an example of how things are changing. A guy that is a well known ayahuascaro, a person that does plant medicines with people in South America, he was running many, many retreats on schedule, and he got to a certain point where he was just about to go and pack up.
[00:47:14] Speaker B: Ah, right. So plant medicine, chiefs, fool fools, grow. Did a lot of work with plants.
[00:47:21] Speaker A: Excellent. All right, well, we can talk about that too.
So he was, he was doing this work and one morning he wakes up and Jesus is standing in his room and says, you've got to stop. And the command was just so clear that he stopped completely. And he checked in with his other people that he worked with and they said, no, that's an authentic message. And so he has stopped. I'm actually yet to go up and follow up with a second interview to.
[00:47:44] Speaker B: See where he is at now.
[00:47:45] Speaker A: But I thought that was quite wild that he was told to stop. Maybe he just wasn't practicing it in the way that was necessary. But fascinating.
[00:47:54] Speaker B: Universal law is cause, no harm, cause, no interference.
[00:47:57] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:47:58] Speaker B: Someone has to ask me for help and declare it to the universe before I, before I will, because I don't know their path. I don't know if this person is supposed to die tomorrow. Okay. And if I do something and it helps heal them, right, and they don't die tomorrow, what's the ripple effect?
[00:48:17] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:48:18] Speaker B: Or just, you know, listen, I don't. I don't belittle religion, period, or people that do what they think is in the right thing to do go around telling people, you know, I don't go grocery stores and say, oh, I see a ghost and they want me to spear spirit, and they're trying to tell me to blah, blah, because you don't know what you're going to interfere with.
So if you send out healing to somebody who's not supposed to be healed, you're interfering with their path, hence God's plan for them.
So my.
My deduction is that that's the purpose. There was a very real potential to heal or help a lot of people that weren't supposed to, you know, be healed.
[00:48:57] Speaker A: Makes sense. Makes complete sense. We actually all come here with a. Like a story that we have to live, and we don't live that story.
[00:49:04] Speaker B: You have all these things you're supposed to get done, and you got, you know, one spirit guide with you that stays with you from start to finish. Right. And his job is to make sure you do the things that you're here to do.
[00:49:13] Speaker A: Exactly, exactly.
[00:49:14] Speaker B: And here's where I like to warn people. Listen, if. If you don't like the way your life is going, suck it up and get it done. Because if you don't, you're gonna have to come back here and do it again. You're gonna have to go through all that same shit again to get to the point where you are right now so as you can finish what you started. So if you don't like your life, figure it out, but keep moving forward. Keep. Yeah, deep.
[00:49:32] Speaker A: Paul. We've actually come to the end of the podcast because I try to keep these about one hour just to encapsulate things for people to digest. Otherwise, I find that if you go over one hour, then people just don't. They start to lose the. The threads. Now, this has been a fantastic podcast, and I really appreciate everything you shared. And I've got. Literally, I've only got one third through my questions. Would you be interested in coming back for a second episode?
[00:49:54] Speaker B: Of course, yeah.
[00:49:56] Speaker A: This is fantastic. And the information is so clear because of your experiences and the way you understand the connection of things and how to explain them. I mean, your explanation of prayer here today has really opened my eyes to a different way of doing. And I've got to say, coming towards the end of the podcast now, that tickle is like 90% gone already, so that's fantastic. I really appreciate that.
[00:50:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:50:17] Speaker A: So thank you very much for coming.
[00:50:18] Speaker B: On Robitussen to sponsor us. Right, sorry. Maybe we can get Robitussin to sponsor us.
[00:50:24] Speaker A: And now you made me cough.
[00:50:26] Speaker B: You hold the bottle up, and I'll do the healing. And did it right.
So what I'm gonna. What I'm gonna encourage you to do, if you want, I'll send you more healing tonight.
[00:50:38] Speaker A: Yeah, I'd appreciate that.
[00:50:40] Speaker B: But what you need to do is you need to. You need to pray and meditate, whichever works better for you. And envision that you're opening up that funnel above your head and pulling in pure healing light. Remember, set sacred space. Only white light beings. Get my hand, okay, and ask it to come in and heal your throat and your lungs. You got a black spot right here. You need to heal that. And if you do that daily. Daily a couple times a day.
Right. You know, again, my bladder did what my bladders do when people get old. Right. I started waking up in the middle of the night and having to take a leak, and I was like, man, I ain't doing this for the rest of my existence. I did what I just said to you, sat down, I prayed, and I focused white light on my bladder to regenerate what needs to be regenerated so I can sleep through the night. And again, I sleep through the night for the most part.
[00:51:26] Speaker A: Nice.
[00:51:26] Speaker B: I would encourage you to do that. And I'm asking the spirit world to help you connect. So, you know, I'm being told over here that they're sending an angel along to help you again. You've got to have the intent.
[00:51:38] Speaker A: I'll do that. Thank you very much. Deepaul Fleming, how can people find you and your work and connect with you?
[00:51:44] Speaker B: Well, they can find me through you. Go to your website. You know how to reach out to me, and that's all good. Or just ask the baby Jesus or great Spirit. We're supposed to connect.
We'll connect.
My books, I've got a bunch of them out there. This one talks about my early childhood, and that's book one of a series. And I wrote a book on veteran suicide, you know, and walking the reader through why we're losing 50 plus veterans a day in the United States and somewhere north of 100 worldwide. Yeah, got a lot of books out there under Deep Ball.
[00:52:11] Speaker A: Okay. I'll provide links to those in the show notes. And I thank you very much for your time and everything you shared. It's. It's brilliant.
[00:52:18] Speaker B: There's so much on your show. Yeah. Keep your faith, keep moving.
[00:52:21] Speaker A: Forward will do. Thank you very much.
Thanks to Deep Paul Fleming for coming on the show. That was really amazing. And his description of prayer and how intent is integral to that is extremely important for people to understand and know. And the way he talks about it in the episode really rounds it so well that it makes it easy to understand for everyone. If you've enjoyed today's show, check out Paul's books on Amazon. I'll send have those links in the show notes as I mentioned, and please give me a like. That'd be great. Thank you so much for enjoying this one. And you'll enjoy these too. Subscribe.
