Speaker 1 00:00:19 Welcome to Super Normalized, and I'm your host, cj. Tonight's show we have for you Rayanne, who is an experiencer of Cambo and also a healer herself. And she's come on to explain what Cambo is, it's history, everything she can around it, so we all have more of an understanding. So welcome to the show, Rayanne.
Speaker 2 00:00:42 Hi cj. Hey,
Speaker 1 00:00:44 How you doing?
Speaker 2 00:00:44 Great.
Speaker 1 00:00:46 So Rayanne, you've used Cambo before?
Speaker 2 00:00:50 Many times.
Speaker 1 00:00:51 Many times. Okay. And when you say many times, can you give us like an idea of how many times
Speaker 2 00:00:58 I've done about 14 ceremonies with Cambo. 14.
Speaker 1 00:01:03 14, okay. And with, with all that, um, first of all, we probably should ask what is Cambo?
Speaker 2 00:01:14 Okay, so Cambo is, uh, another word for Cambo is sapo, which is the secretion from the giant monkey tree frog, uh, in the Amazon jungle. So it, um, the
Speaker 1 00:01:30 Giant monkey,
Speaker 2 00:01:31 Fruit tree. Tree frog,
Speaker 1 00:01:33 It's called the giant monkey tree.
Speaker 2 00:01:35 Frog. Yes. Wonder
Speaker 1 00:01:36 How it got that name?
Speaker 2 00:01:37 Well, it's, you know, one of those big frogs.
Speaker 1 00:01:40 So it looks like a monkey.
Speaker 2 00:01:42 <laugh>? No, it's, it's a very, it's quite a big frog, you know, like our right. Big frogs that we get. Okay.
Speaker 1 00:01:50 I dunno where I've got the monkey
Speaker 2 00:01:51 From then. No, no, I don't know either.
Speaker 1 00:01:53 Okay. Alright. So it's the giant monkey tea tree frog, otherwise known as the sapo frog. Yes. And it's the secretions that come out of the skin in defense of it being attacked.
Speaker 2 00:02:04 Yes. So, um, what, uh, they do in the jungle is they will, when they wish to harvest the secretion, they will call the frog down out of the trees by whistling and they'll, the tri tribal men will do a whistle, and the frogs actually come to them. And is
Speaker 1 00:02:29 That because they're pretending to be lady frogs?
Speaker 2 00:02:32 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know that much <laugh>, but maybe, but, um, yeah, they actually volunteer, um, their services to, um, because
Speaker 1 00:02:44 The frog does,
Speaker 2 00:02:45 The frog actually comes outta the trees and comes down and it, it will be very gently tied up. Um, so their little legs get tied up and, um, and their back is tapped and the, and when they tap their back, the secretion of the, um, frog poison comes from their glands. And it is then put onto a bamboo stick where it is dried. And, uh, the frog is then has a little tag, um, usually a bit of a red, um, wool that is tied around their leg just gently. And that frog is not harvested then for another three months. So it's ethically harvested, uh, the, the poison's ethically harvested so that yeah, the frog can go back into the jungle and do what it needs to do and just isn't being, you know, taken, taken for its poison all the time.
Speaker 1 00:03:55 Right. So the secreted material is known as a poison?
Speaker 2 00:04:02 Well, we, they call it a poison, but, uh, yeah.
Speaker 1 00:04:06 Right. Okay. So considering all that and the usage of it in where, whereabouts do they actually use it? What, uh, part of, uh, south America?
Speaker 2 00:04:19 It's used in the southeast Amazonian, um, rainforest. Yes. In Brazil, Peru, and Venezuela.
Speaker 1 00:04:28 Right, okay. Okay. And, and what's the traditional use of this product?
Speaker 2 00:04:33 It's used to, originally it was used to, um, assist the tribal men in hunting in the jungle. So it increased their, um, uh, their psychic awareness, their visual awareness, their hearing ability, um, acuity. Um, it decreased their, um, their ability to be able to be sensed by animals. So it decreased their, um, perfume, so to speak,
Speaker 1 00:05:10 Their body
Speaker 2 00:05:11 Scent, their body, body scent. Yeah. Um, and, uh, yeah, just increased, yeah, their sharpness of vision, hearing and mental acuity. So it would also increase their, um, stamina so they could actually, uh, hunt longer with, uh, reduced intake of food and water.
Speaker 1 00:05:34 Right. So this provides a hunting advantage
Speaker 2 00:05:37 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>? Absolutely. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 00:05:39 Right. Why would they need that there?
Speaker 2 00:05:43 Well, I guess you're, you know, you're going on sustained, um, long hunts, and if you are hunting an animal, um, and you are on a track, then you don't wanna have to retreat back to your, um, your
Speaker 1 00:06:05 Family,
Speaker 2 00:06:06 Family and you know, your, your home to, uh, yeah, to sustain yourself. If you can keep going for longer, then that's gonna be of benefit to you. And also, you know, if you've got sustained energy and vitality, then you can actually potentially, um, outlast the, the animal or just keep up to the animal's energy that you are hunting.
Speaker 1 00:06:34 Right, right. So it provides a hunting advantage, which would be of benefit to the social group because they're able to more successfully hunt and bring back food.
Speaker 2 00:06:48 Correct.
Speaker 1 00:06:49 That's great. So what is the use of camber in, say, where we are? Australia?
Speaker 2 00:06:58 So Cambo is known to be, uh, the, the antibiotic of the jungle. So, um, sorry, wait a minute. Antibiotic
Speaker 1 00:07:08 And the antibiotic of the jungle, but okay. So it's actually used as an antibiotic?
Speaker 2 00:07:12 Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 00:07:13 They traditional use use it as an antibiotic as
Speaker 2 00:07:17 Well. They use it for prevention of illness and curative of illness. Right,
Speaker 1 00:07:22 Right. So how does that work for them?
Speaker 2 00:07:26 It, um, will cure them of malaria snake bites, traditionally. Right. Uh, because it has a purgative effect. So when you have cambo, um, it will definitely induce a purge. Uh, and, and that will, yeah. Uh, it, it just pulls all of the toxins out of the body and Yeah. Will make you purge. So if you've got an toxins in your body, it will definitely help you with that. Right,
Speaker 1 00:08:00 Right. Okay. So when you say toxins, what do you mean? Do you mean like,
Speaker 2 00:08:10 It can work on many different levels? So Cambo has, um, I can't remember exactly how many peptides it has in it, but in, in the, um, scores, so, you know, probably 50 to 60, um, peptides where it will actually target where it needs to heal. So it will, if someone has been a, um, heavy alcohol user, then it will pull out the toxicity of alcohol. If someone's been a heavy drug user, it will pull out the toxicity of drugs, it will pull out the toxicity of antibiotics that are built up in the body. And because has
Speaker 1 00:09:00 This been proven or is this just like stories
Speaker 2 00:09:01 That, uh, no, there's a lot of, there's a lot of, um, uh, clinical white papers that have actually been written about cambo. Right. Um, and yeah. And we're what this has done for people.
Speaker 1 00:09:17 Okay. Interesting. Okay. What's the legal status of it in Australia?
Speaker 2 00:09:24 Um, I believe it is legal. Uh, it,
Speaker 1 00:09:29 Is it legal or do you believe it's legal <laugh>?
Speaker 2 00:09:32 Well, it, it was legal when I was using it. It was illegal. It was legal. Um, there was a death down in Mul Bibi, and, uh, in my research there's been probably a half a dozen deaths. Um, remember through the use
Speaker 1 00:09:51 In mul Bibi, she was actually a, a practitioner server of gamba.
Speaker 2 00:09:55 Yeah. Yeah, she was, she was, mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. Um, so, you know, look, there's deaths of all sorts of things. There's deaths of antibiotics and
Speaker 1 00:10:08 Is it addictive?
Speaker 2 00:10:09 Oh, definitely not, not addictive. I wouldn't say that it's not for the fainthearted. I mean, the effects of cambo are, uh, well first of all, you have to prepare dietary wise, so mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, no meat, no processed foods, no alcohol going in. Wait
Speaker 1 00:10:33 A minute, wait a minute. Is this a dietary that's been prescribed by Westerners, or is it by
Speaker 2 00:10:41 The Amazonians? I believe yes. Yes. Really? Yes. I've read it, read it many, many articles. Um, okay. Um, with regards to that. And traditionally, you know, there is a lot of respect that needs to be maintained with, um, sitting with this medicine. So, um, set and setting prayer intention. Wait
Speaker 1 00:11:06 A minute, wait a minute. Is this the Western version?
Speaker 2 00:11:09 No, I believe even the Amazon inversion as well. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And I think with any sort of medicine that you are sitting with, if you don't have reverence for it, then um, yeah, that can lead to, uh, yeah, disrespect, abuse.
Speaker 1 00:11:33 So it can be addictive if you use the wrong way.
Speaker 2 00:11:35 I don't think so. As I said, it's not for the fainthearted. So when, first of all, when you have cambo, um, a practitioner will do a test point on either your arm or on your leg. Okay,
Speaker 1 00:11:54 Wait a minute,
Speaker 2 00:11:55 Wait a minute. On your lower
Speaker 1 00:11:56 Cuff, what, what is a test point? How is it, how is it administered?
Speaker 2 00:12:00 A test point is, um, what they call opening up the gates. So they will use incense, they will mark your skin and use incense to burn a gate into your skin. So,
Speaker 1 00:12:17 So they burn a hole in your
Speaker 2 00:12:18 Skin? Yeah. So the, um, the, when they're using the, um, medicine, they will, um, add water to the medicine. But, um, what I've heard is really, really effective in how the, the body, your body will attune to the medicine is if you use your own saliva mixed with the medicine there, it's like your body picks up what you need, um, and, and will target those zones, so to speak. Right,
Speaker 1 00:12:58 Right.
Speaker 2 00:12:59 So, uh, so, so a test point will be put on your arm. It's, um, it will feel like it's really burning and stinging. And, uh, so initially what you do is you will drink probably a liter of water prior. So you will have fasted, you will have fasted. First you drink a liter of water, it's to help flush the toxicity outta the body. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But there again, there is a danger in having too much water because the body can drown as well. Right. So you really need to sit with our practitioner, who knows what they're doing with this medicine. Um, I have self-administered myself, um, three points, but I did have a space holder who was doing the same thing at the same time. And we only did three points, uh, three open, three gates, uh, when we self-administered. So when your, so initially you'll have a point applied, you waited and the blood, your blood pressure will go up.
Speaker 2 00:14:17 Um, you'll get very red and hot flushed, and then you'll be encouraged to drink more water. And then the next couple of points will be applied. So you're probably up to three points then and see how you go. And then drinking more water. Then you will have probably the balance of the points applied. So, right. It is different with every practitioner, but the practitioner that I was sitting with regularly, uh, the most points I ever had put on me was eight. And, uh, my regular dosage was about six points. Six, six to eight points. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:15:04 So a point is a measured amount.
Speaker 2 00:15:09 It's a, it's a dot of the frog secretion mixed with water. Right. That is mixed into a paste and put onto that gate, which is your burnt open skin. Right. So during the application of this, um, what you will feel is the, your blood pressure will go up very high. Your heart rate will go up, um, you will go red, you may have edema in the face, so that's swelling in the face. Right. Uh, so you may look like the frog, um, but it comes down pretty quickly. And, uh, you then start purging and you're purging out toxins. So different ceremonies can bring up different toxins. So I had like fluro green, yellow, orange,
Speaker 1 00:16:18 You know, that's just all the colors of stomach,
Speaker 2 00:16:20 Bile. Right. I've seen some people have purple. Purple, um, purple. Um, this just sounds purging a
Speaker 1 00:16:30 Bit like a myth to me,
Speaker 2 00:16:33 <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:16:34 Right. You know, let's cry through your vomit to see what we can find
Speaker 2 00:16:39 <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:16:40 That's weird.
Speaker 2 00:16:41 <laugh>. Stop it. <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:16:49 Well, I think it's weird.
Speaker 2 00:16:50 Look, the, the, because like the feelings afterwards,
Speaker 1 00:16:54 I ask you a question,
Speaker 2 00:16:55 Right? Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:16:56 Have you ever read anyone in Amazon doing that? No. What? Anyone in the Amazon scrolling through their bullets? <laugh>?
Speaker 2 00:17:04 No, but I'm just describing the colors that, you know, you'll see, you know, because some people get really spun out. They're like, oh my goodness, it's orange. Oh wow. It's fluro green. Stark green. It's purple. Why is it purple? Um, did you want
Speaker 1 00:17:19 Bero beforehand?
Speaker 2 00:17:21 No, I, and I never had purple <laugh>, even though I love my beri juice <laugh>. But as I said, you fasted before so you wouldn't, wouldn't normally have that come through.
Speaker 1 00:17:35 Oh, hmm. Okay. Hmm. Right. So, okay, so there's some interesting, um, emetic fun that people have, which sounds odd. Um, and yeah, what else, what else actually happens? What's the positive experience like?
Speaker 2 00:17:59 Well, you feel totally detoxified and cleansed,
Speaker 1 00:18:04 But don't you feel toxic to throw up in the first place?
Speaker 2 00:18:06 No. No. You really feel super, super clean and it gives you an incredible amount of energy, um, in my experience. So, because I energy, because I, sorry,
Speaker 1 00:18:21 Is it like mental energy or
Speaker 2 00:18:23 Body energy? No, physical. Physical energy. Physical energy. The physical energy is off the rector, I must say. And I was sort of, I was very much into the chakra balancing technique with ta cambo. So that involved putting points down each of my chakras on my spine. And
Speaker 1 00:18:49 Is, is that a traditional method?
Speaker 2 00:18:52 I don't know about traditional, but it was what they taught in some school, um, over here. And it, it just, I got to a point with Cambo where yes, I would purge, but I had such a beautiful relationship with the medicine and I loved the medicine so much that I was actually able to journey with the frog. And what
Speaker 1 00:19:29 Does that mean? How does that, how does that take shape for you? What is a journey with the frog?
Speaker 2 00:19:34 Well,
Speaker 1 00:19:35 Did you like start having visions of
Speaker 2 00:19:38 Kathy Perry after the, it's, it's, it's definitely not a visionary, um, experience. Well, I never experienced that anyway, but I, after the purging, I was able to just sit up really tall and feel the energy coming down through my crown chakra and filling up the hole of my chakras in my body. And I was able to just sit up super, super straight and just full on accept this power that was being put into me by the medicine. And that's what I felt. It was just this power force. And whilst, you know, cuz sometimes in cambo ceremonies you might be on your own, but you know, you might have three or four people there. And when I got to this stage where I was able to journey with the medicine, what I noticed was where all the, the other people were lying down afterwards, absolutely exhausted and needing to just, yeah, just rest. Um, I didn't have any of that. I was just, okay, where's my soup, where's my toast? And just would just get up after it and just go, woo, unreal. This is amazing. And just power on. And yeah. And, and I sort of felt for the people lying on the ground because they weren't feeling what I was feeling, but I just felt like a, a power force and just, yeah, I just love that medicine so much. Loved it. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 00:21:34 <affirmative> at that time in your life, did you need that power? At that time?
Speaker 2 00:21:39 At that time in my life, I was experiencing quite a bit of psychic attack.
Speaker 1 00:21:46 Psychic attack. What? What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2 00:21:50 Uh, spiritual attack.
Speaker 1 00:21:52 Okay, so this was by a spirit or, or people
Speaker 2 00:21:56 By spirits. By spirits. By spirits, okay. And so why
Speaker 1 00:22:01 Was that happening?
Speaker 2 00:22:02 Why, yeah. Uh, because I, at the time I was working in hospitals, so right. When people are sick, often more than often they are being spiritually attacked or have negative energies entities attached to them. So I was picking up on those energies and I had done some research into what would clear these energies, uh, or pan.
Speaker 1 00:22:39 Pan pan pank,
Speaker 2 00:22:40 Pank pank,
Speaker 1 00:22:42 Pan pania is the, um, uh, traditional name for the spirits that latch on and drain
Speaker 2 00:22:48 You. Yes, yes. So that was the research that I had done, and I found that Cambo would clear that. And it's, uh, traditionally used for that as well in the jungle,
Speaker 1 00:23:02 Right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Okay. And so it helped you by busting all those little hitchhikers off?
Speaker 2 00:23:09 Uh, oh, it did, but I had some strong ones, so I ended up using other tools
Speaker 1 00:23:16 Right, okay. For that. But it was a stepping stone.
Speaker 2 00:23:19 It was a stepping stone, and it was, yeah, just an incredible, incredible experience with that medicine. And, um, I hold a lot of respect for what it does. And, uh, yeah. I, I, even though I haven't had it for a while, I, um, yeah, I, I do still hold a lot of respect and I love the medicine.
Speaker 1 00:23:48 Right, right. Oh, that's good. So, okay. Uh, now was, has there any been, has, has there ever been any sessions where you've been in with other people and, and it's been quite weird what anything like that happened?
Speaker 2 00:24:06 Weird.
Speaker 1 00:24:07 Well, so like, does, have you been surprised by anything in any sessions or has it always been exactly the same?
Speaker 2 00:24:14 Oh, it's never the same ever.
Speaker 1 00:24:17 All of them. Well, tell us, tell us, tell us one of the, the wildest ones you've ever had and what happened to you.
Speaker 2 00:24:21 All of all of the ceremonies are totally different. Right. Um,
Speaker 1 00:24:27 Is that cause the practitioner or
Speaker 2 00:24:29 Is it just, it's got nothing to do with the practitioner. Right. I think it has a lot to do with, um, now in looking back with things and understanding a lot more about set, setting timing, um, even potentially who you're sitting with, uh, who the other participants are, um, astrologically, I believe that that can have a lot to do with how things pan out.
Speaker 1 00:24:59 Okay. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. What do you mean by astrologically?
Speaker 2 00:25:02 Full moon, new Moon? Um, I believe the energies are totally different around moon times. Yes. Uh, energies are totally different around women's cycles. Right. Um, so, uh, typically, typically, you know, with Amazonian medicines, they will not sit with you if a woman is in her moon cycle. Right. Because a woman is, uh, a lot more vulnerable during that time. She feels, um, a lot more, um, intensity. Everything is just a lot more intense. And, uh, one of my journeys, I did actually feel that intensity, um, and it was during a moon cycle and the pain that I was experiencing in my stomach was in my womb was just off the rector. Ridiculously painful,
Speaker 1 00:26:09 Right?
Speaker 2 00:26:10 Yep. So, and in looking at forums with regards to Cambo, uh, I then saw a lot of women discussing that. Um, they experienced in increased, um, pain and discomfort, um, in their womb during, if they were doing cambo and, and, uh, yeah. In their cycle. So it's something I would never, ever recommend is that a woman, uh, does really any, any medicine, unless you're really super experienced. But, you know, I was, I was really experienced in doing medicines and not during your, not during your menstrual cycle at all, right? Not this one anyway.
Speaker 1 00:27:01 Traditionally, traditionally. Also, it's used as an abortant as well.
Speaker 2 00:27:06 It can, it can look, it can clear energies if a woman's wanting to fall pregnant, it's known to do that, but it can also have abortive effects as well. Well,
Speaker 1 00:27:19 Can, it's been traditionally used for that too, so I don't think it's a good idea for all men if you're pregnant, for
Speaker 2 00:27:28 Example. Oh, exactly. Not. No. Well, uh, because it's a purgative. Yeah, yeah. But I'm trying to make as well, yeah. It's
Speaker 1 00:27:36 Not just
Speaker 2 00:27:36 Moon cycles and it's, we're not talking just a small purge. We're talking a very, very, uh, strenuous powerful purgative. Right. Extremely powerful purgative.
Speaker 1 00:27:54 Right. Okay. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 00:27:56 <affirmative>. Okay. Yeah. So as I say, it's not for the fainthearted.
Speaker 1 00:28:01 What was the, the session that you had that, um, you think was your best?
Speaker 2 00:28:13 Probably got three, three of them. And they were all
Speaker 1 00:28:17 Why?
Speaker 2 00:28:19 Because I was able to journey with the frog, I actually felt the power of the frog, and I felt the energy. They were very similar going down my chakras and gi just giving me full, full blown energy. In fact, one ceremony was so powerful, um, the chakra one that I had so much energy. I, I had barely slept for two weeks and I had to have another journey just to pull it back a bit.
Speaker 1 00:28:56 Right.
Speaker 2 00:28:58 But, um, yeah, yeah, very, very strong, strong medicine.
Speaker 1 00:29:05 What, what was happening for you during those two weeks?
Speaker 2 00:29:09 Oh, just power force, you know, just gardening, doing my work, doing, you know, working a full-time job and then coming home and doing gardening, mowing, lawn cutting things, just staying up to like midnight every day, every single night. I was up till midnight, but I was actually not even able to sleep. Had so much awareness, so much sensitivity to my environment. Uh, so much mental acuity. Everything was just so sharp.
Speaker 1 00:29:51 Did you want to go hunting
Speaker 2 00:29:53 <laugh>? No. But it was,
Speaker 1 00:30:00 It sounds like that you would've been really good at it at
Speaker 2 00:30:02 That stage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, no, but it's just, yeah, it's just incredible medicine. I had a song that I used to in those last three sessions that I used to tell the space holder that, and he knew when to play it, and I would have him, uh, play this particular song. And it just,
Speaker 1 00:30:27 And what song was
Speaker 2 00:30:28 It? Jaguar Dreaming By, by Liquid Bloom.
Speaker 1 00:30:32 Right. So why does, why was that song so significant for you? And, you know, when it comes to this
Speaker 2 00:30:40 <laugh>? I don't know. I just, that song when it starts, it just takes me on a journey. And I just feel like a really sexual, powerful woman <laugh> during that song. I just do. I just, yeah, I played it. Yeah. Yeah. I played it during a ceremony on my 50th birthday and danced in front of all of my friends and yeah, it was just amazing.
Speaker 1 00:31:19 Awesome. Yeah. Excellent. Okay, so you've had several really good experiences, or many really good experiences, and you feel as though the Frog was, spo has taught you a lot. What has it taught you?
Speaker 2 00:31:40 Taught me, uh, how you really must respect any sort of medicine that you want to work with. Set in setting is everything, with any of these medicines and reverence to the medicine <affirmative>. Um, it's taught me that yeah, you can detoxify the body, um, yeah. Through, yeah, it, it might be a bit stressful at the time, but you feel like a powerhouse afterwards. Uh, takes a lot of bravery to do this sort of work. And I, um, yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm really happy I, I did it and more than once, more than a dozen times. It's just been incredible. Incredible. Um,
Speaker 1 00:32:52 Have you ever had a negative experience?
Speaker 2 00:32:56 Well, I told you I had a negative experience. That was when I was on my menstrual cycle and the
Speaker 1 00:33:03 You hinted at it, but you didn't tell us what
Speaker 2 00:33:05 Happened. Oh, the pain was just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 00:33:08 Okay. So just roll out the whole story about what the situation and what happened.
Speaker 2 00:33:14 I had, um, well, you know, the space holder was used to me journeying, and I had a couple of other people with me. And, uh, I had eight gates open on my arm and I had one point on, and I was fine. And I think I had another couple of points put on. Yeah. So I had three points on, and I was still fine drinking water, drinking water, and then I said, let's go the rest. And I had all of them put on me. So I had all eight points put on me, and I was on day two of my cycle, and all of a sudden the pain was ridiculous in my womb, and I needed to go the toilet. And I went to the toilet and your blood pressure can, whilst your blood pressure couldn't go up, it can go down really, really quickly.
Speaker 2 00:34:29 And I went to the toilet and my blood pressure dropped and I fell off the toilet. Excuse missed consciousness. Totally, totally lost consciousness. Came to, um, I then I think I then went back on the toilet again, then fell off again, and I hit my head, uh, on the edge of the, um, shower floor. And, and then, uh, my partner was called and there was a, a chair in there and in the bathroom that I had always put in there just to help with, you know, if anything like that happened. And I sat on there and I went to go back in the toilet again. And I think I fell a third time and went unconscious. And then that time I was just, yeah, out for a bit. And then I went back into the room and, and I just started panicking because the pain was just ridiculously intense in my womb. And I just thought I couldn't handle it and I just was feeling so out of control.
Speaker 1 00:35:55 Right.
Speaker 2 00:35:56 Um, for the first time ever, I just really, really felt out of control. And this is, yeah. Another reason why I just absolutely do not recommend it for any woman that is during, you know, in her cycle because Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:36:14 Yeah. What happened, what happened after that?
Speaker 2 00:36:18 I actually went to the hospital, right. And I was in the hospital and they ripped all my, well, first of all, it was during Covid, which was quite funny. And they went, oh, clearly you don't have Covid <laugh>, right. And I went, no. And so,
Speaker 1 00:36:38 So they had a sense of
Speaker 2 00:36:39 Humor about it. Yeah. And they were like, you need to come in straight away. Cause my face was puffy and, you know, looked like a frog. And, and, and, uh, yeah. So they just ripped all my clothes off and they're like, she's got scars all over her body, and oh gosh, I really didn't, I only had them, you know, a few dots down my spine and, you know, I guess they saw eight burn points on my arm and, uh, freaked out. The ones interesting enough on the inside of your calves, they never scar. I had many of those done. Okay. But they never seemed to scar back to the hospital. What happened? But, uh, yeah, I was hooked up to, um, uh, e ECG machine, um, blood test done. My, uh, white blood cell count was, uh, through the roof. Um, I told them that what I had had, and they said, we don't have a antidote for that. I said, I don't want an antidote. Um, I just want you to watch me. And, uh, they're phoning in, um, the, a poisonous infectious board or whatever, you know, they're phoning the in poisonous doctors and everything. I could hear everything that was going on. And, uh, yeah, I, they just kept testing my urine and blood and, um, so
Speaker 1 00:38:15 That was obviously really stressful.
Speaker 2 00:38:18 Absolutely, absolutely stressful. Uh, my partner couldn't come in with me and, um, I was on my own and everyone was wearing masks and I was told to wear a mask and it was, was very isolating. And eventually when all my blood count got right, because yeah, the blood, white blood cell count started dropping.
Speaker 1 00:38:49 How long did that take?
Speaker 2 00:38:51 Three hours. Three
Speaker 1 00:38:53 Hours, right?
Speaker 2 00:38:54 Yeah. So, um, I think it was up to 60,000 whites, white blood cell count, which is very high. And uh, and then the urine came back in a positive way and, and my heart rate had dropped and everything was just normalizing. And I just went to 'em and I said, Hey, I wanna go home now. And they said, gosh, I can't believe how well you look compared to what you look like before. And I said, yeah, I feel amazing, thanks for looking after me. And, um,
Speaker 1 00:39:35 That sounds very silly.
Speaker 2 00:39:37 <laugh>. I sent them a card later a week later thanking them and, uh, yeah. And they let me go.
Speaker 1 00:39:46 Right. Do you think you may have overdosed in that session?
Speaker 2 00:39:57 Possibly. Why that o Only because, uh, at the time the space holder were, had discussed that he was using bigger incense sticks to open the gates. So usually I would have six small gates opened.
Speaker 1 00:40:22 So a gate would be, if it was a small incense stick, like maybe two mills across, two mill, two millimeters
Speaker 2 00:40:28 Maybe. Maybe, yeah. Quite
Speaker 1 00:40:30 Small, maybe about three. You know, just, I'm just thinking about how incenses are
Speaker 2 00:40:34 Yeah. Quite, quite small. And these were large incen stick points that were gates that were open and, and I did see that the medicine was, yeah, it was, there were quite big dots on there.
Speaker 1 00:40:53 Right, okay. So, well that explains a lot. So the lessening that would be, be careful of your dosage if you're aware of that
Speaker 2 00:41:03 Ab Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I guess I, of course everything can make a huge difference as to your experience.
Speaker 1 00:41:12 Yeah. But dosage is quite a lot. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 00:41:14 <affirmative> it comes to it. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:41:16 Yeah. Okay. Okay, good.
Speaker 2 00:41:19 I was incredibly sensitive at the time, uh, with regards to, yeah, my cycle and just oversensitive and the pain. It was, the reason I wanted to go to the hospital was because the pain was just ridiculous. And
Speaker 1 00:41:37 Not because you were passing out?
Speaker 2 00:41:40 Uh, no. Cause I've passed out before on that medicine and you make it sound so
Speaker 1 00:41:46 Appealing,
Speaker 2 00:41:47 <laugh>. Well, as I said, it's not for the fainthearted, so you do need a lot of support with this sort of thing. Um, but it, uh, yeah. <laugh> <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:42:04 So when you got back home and, you know, you had some time to reflect over the next week after that experience, um, what were your thoughts?
Speaker 2 00:42:16 Um, my thoughts were I'd only ever self-administer. And I I, yeah. Even after that, I,
Speaker 1 00:42:23 But why, why would, why would you self-administer after that?
Speaker 2 00:42:26 Um, because I would just only do one or two points and Yeah. And just, I mean, you know, I can, I can do it, I can do it, sure. But I'd only just do one or two points because I know that when you do get, you know, three to four, five points Yeah. You can really push the blood pressure up drastically and then it drops really drastically.
Speaker 1 00:42:59 So that's more like microdosing it
Speaker 2 00:43:01 Sort of Yeah, yeah. Microdose effect would be, right. Yeah. Fine. Mm. Well, that's what I would support for me anyway.
Speaker 1 00:43:09 Right, right. Okay. Wow.
Speaker 2 00:43:12 Have I done it since? No, I haven't.
Speaker 1 00:43:16 How long ago was that then? It was, you said during covid? So that was 2019?
Speaker 2 00:43:22 No, 2020.
Speaker 1 00:43:24 2020.
Speaker 2 00:43:25 Yeah. Alright.
Speaker 1 00:43:27 Oh yeah. 2020 covid.
Speaker 2 00:43:28 Yeah. Right. Yeah. And I'm not sure what month that was at all.
Speaker 1 00:43:34 All right.
Speaker 2 00:43:36 But I still hold great respect for the medicine and yeah. I still love it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Only because of, you know, how I felt and I'll never forget my journeys and they've been amazing. Right.
Speaker 1 00:43:52 So overall, how has Zappo Cambo changed you as a person?
Speaker 2 00:44:04 Changed me as a person. I don't think it's actually designed to do that. I think it's used as a detoxifier of the body.
Speaker 1 00:44:17 I still keep thinking of, you know, why you still haven't gone hunting cap baras,
Speaker 2 00:44:23 <laugh>,
Speaker 1 00:44:28 You know, and I've gotta ask you, do you know any sexy frog songs?
Speaker 2 00:44:34 <laugh>,
Speaker 1 00:44:36 Because I'm just to keep on thinking back to those hunters, you know, like they're in the forest and like, you know, and they're whistling to the frog. Right? The
Speaker 2 00:44:44 Frog, yeah. You can research it. They whistle. I know, but they come, they actually, there's video footage, they come outta the trees. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:44:52 But what are they saying in frog languages? Like, ooh, very pretty frog here. Come on. Because it's not like they're going to the frog going, Hey, hey, come and do us as spiritual service. The frog's not gonna go. Yeah, right. Mate, it's not happening. They've gotta be teasing they're frog in some way and going, come on, I'm a sexy frog.
Speaker 2 00:45:13 Yeah, right. I'm Kermit. Help me get a leg over
Speaker 1 00:45:17 <laugh>. What? So yeah, no, I'm just thinking about those things just, just occurred to me.
Speaker 2 00:45:26 Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:45:28 So, uh, yeah. Um, is there anything else around Cambo that, um, you'd like to explain? I mean, I, I, I've got some things that I'd like to share about Cambo.
Speaker 2 00:45:38 Okay.
Speaker 1 00:45:39 So I, I know a few people that have been there and, and done that as well. And I did meet one guy, um, when I went to a course one time and he was talking about it. And um, and, uh, we were talking, and then during the conversation he literally locked up and stopped talking and then clicked back in and then started talking again. And I said, do you realize what you just did? And he goes, yeah, yeah, that's because of a cambo. And I said, what do you mean it's because of a cam? And he said, I got brain damage from taking it.
Speaker 2 00:46:11 Wow. And
Speaker 1 00:46:11 He got brain damage from taking it because the person that was administering it, um, had left him, um, face down on the ground
Speaker 2 00:46:21 For,
Speaker 1 00:46:22 Um, uh, quite a, uh, a long time mm-hmm. When he was in the peak of it and he didn't breathe, so got brain
Speaker 2 00:46:28 Damaged permanently. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:46:31 And, uh, that to me made me think, well, that's not really good.
Speaker 2 00:46:36 No. As I said, set setting and a good space holder is everything.
Speaker 1 00:46:42 Yeah, for
Speaker 2 00:46:43 Sure. For sure. You know, you need to be with someone who has, uh, you know, done the training and, um, well
Speaker 1 00:46:51 This, you know, supposedly the practitioner had done the training, right?
Speaker 2 00:46:55 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 1 00:46:59 And that was in, from what I remember to be mul Bibi.
Speaker 2 00:47:03 Ah, okay.
Speaker 1 00:47:05 Back in the day. Back in the day.
Speaker 2 00:47:07 Right. Okay.
Speaker 1 00:47:08 Back cowboy boys.
Speaker 2 00:47:10 Hmm. Oh, I was actually really wanting to be, I was in love with that medicine so much. I really wanted to be a practitioner. Right. And, uh, yeah, sort of that last experience sort of threw me, it did, it threw me big time.
Speaker 1 00:47:29 It made you review your usage.
Speaker 2 00:47:32 Oh, I, you know, 13 times over three years is not really a big deal. Um, right. It's, uh, it's just a matter of, uh, and you know, and I heard about that death in Mo and Bibi and, um, yeah. Just, yeah. Do all wanna be around if any of that happens. Yeah, no. And you know, and even with what I was going through at the time with fainting and trying to go to the toilet and, you know, you're trying to help someone through that. Yeah. It's, it's pretty tough. Yeah. It's, it's, it's a lot to ask of a, a space holder. It's a lot to ask.
Speaker 1 00:48:23 It's a lot of responsibility.
Speaker 2 00:48:24 Huge. Yeah. Huge, huge responsibility. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 00:48:29 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 00:48:29 <affirmative>. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Especially when, you know, you are working with, um, something that really, really affects the, um, like the peptides actually break through the blood brain barrier and, but there's such a physical effect on the body with regards to blood pressure going very high and low. And when I thought about, you know, what's happened with the vaccines with Covid, um, and, you know, the, um, cardiac issues, I definitely wouldn't wanna be involved in this sort of medicine at all.
Speaker 1 00:49:14 Right. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Okay. Well, uh, unless you have anything else to share about Cambo, we could probably tie it off there.
Speaker 2 00:49:29 No, I, I just love frogs.
Speaker 1 00:49:35 You love frogs, okay.
Speaker 2 00:49:36 Yeah. I love frogs and I love, I love cambo Cambo beautiful frog.
Speaker 1 00:49:42 Yeah. But there is cautionary tales too.
Speaker 2 00:49:44 Absolutely. If you want to do anything like this, always any sort of medicine, you need to do lots of research and make sure that you are with a, um, a very good reputable practitioner, very experienced. You wanna make sure that the, um, medicine is ethically harvested as well. And, um, yeah. With all respect and reverence.
Speaker 1 00:50:17 Right. Okay. Well I guess we will end it up there. Thank you very much for your time. Rayanne coming to talk to us about Cambo and Sapo. We did the same thing, and frogs and frog love and a little bit of frog scary stuff too. So it's been a very good talk. Thank you very much for sharing everything, and hopefully people find this talk as interesting as, as I have. And, um, I hope you've enjoyed yourself too. Thanks, cj. Thank you very much for your time. Bye
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