Episode Transcript
[00:00:02] Speaker A: Georgina Grace is a single mother, master numerologist, sovereign entrepreneur, healer, and survivor of satanic ritual abuse. Georgina has walked herself through many wildfires in her own life, and she devotes her life to alchemizing that darkness that she has experienced so she can use it to bring depth to her clients that many report is unmatched. She works with numbers now. She believes that if the world we live in is a simulation, then the numbers and letters that we use generally in daily life are the coding of it. And so therefore, having a deep understanding of your own numerological fingerprint is a straight gateway into the realm of true sovereignty. Numerology has been misused in her understanding and misunderstood and misinterpreted for a very long time. Georgina is here to set that record straight, and she does so eloquently and accurately in this episode.
[00:01:04] Speaker B: Welcome to Super Normalized Georgina Grace. Georgina, my wife tells me that you're an amazing numerologist. And when I look into your backstory, you've got a lot of things that have happened. So it's like, wow, what?
So we're here to talk about all of that and just how numerology can help everybody realize their path in life. Welcome to the show.
[00:01:31] Speaker C: Thank you so much for having me. Cj, I'm so thrilled to be here. And I just adore your beautiful wife. How sweet of her.
[00:01:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
So I thought I'd pretty much start off with an understanding of your origin story and the lived experience of that, and we'll get into some questions.
What do you feel is most important for people to understand about who you are before numerology became your life's work?
[00:01:59] Speaker C: Yeah. Thank you. That's a great question. You're good at this.
I think what's important to understand about me is that I'm not. My qualifications come from my real lived experience of life. I spent a long time thinking who I am on my own is not good enough. So I've got to go and do this and get this qualification and this and this and this. And I'm not knocking qualifications. Obviously, they're very valid. But for me, it was like I was hiding behind. I was like these things.
If I have these things, then I can use my voice and express myself and speak up and all this kind of stuff. Right. And so that was something that I would hide behind. And I. I kept getting to a point of, like, just a ceiling. I'd. Because I'm a bit of a hurricane. Cj, don't know if you know this about.
And when I Get my hands on something, I go as fast and as hard as I possibly can with that thing. And I just kept finding myself, like, smashing up against wall after wall after wall and not quite finding myself in anything. And, you know, I've had a pretty rough existence this time around. You probably can't. A lot of people say to me that I would have never have picked that up with you, you know, and as light as I can shine right now, and I often do shine very brightly for a lot of people, at least that's the feedback I get that's not come without pretty. Sufficient darkness early on in life. Right. And so just so many different hurdles and trials and tribulations and really, you know, wildfires, really walking myself through wildfire, through my life. And it took me a really long time to understand that actually it is me that the world wants to hear from, not these pieces of paper. And when you've had the kind of history that I've had, that's really a really difficult place to get to.
And with that history that I mentioned, it's pretty rough. It's pretty rough. And you'll hear me speaking today and you'll think, wow, you speak so well. A lot of people say this to me. However, this is not.
This is not something I was born with. This is not something that's natural for me. This is something that I've had to work my patootie off getting to, you know, So a lot of my life, I've spent it fighting tooth and nail for the right to use my voice, to own my own voice, and to be fully expressed as who I am.
So.
So I don't know if that answered your question.
[00:04:57] Speaker B: It did.
[00:04:57] Speaker C: I just tend to ramble a little bit. I'm sorry.
[00:04:59] Speaker B: No, no, no. There was no rambling in that at all. It actually was a good summary of, like, because I know the story, like, partially because of what I've read.
[00:05:07] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:05:08] Speaker B: So I. You know, we'll get to that. But, you know, the way you expressed that was really. I thought that was really good. Because people.
I mean, sometimes because of social conditioning, we think we are meant to do something in life, you know, and we have to do it down the official path, you know, And a lot of people might have experienced going to uni and studying a course that had nothing to do with them was because their parents pushed them. Right. And that way, that's their way of finding validation to get, you know, mum's love, daddy's love, or whatever. Right. And in time, they realize that's not it. That's not what I wanted to do. That's not me. And as soon as they get to that point, then things change. So for you, which moments from your early life shaped your relationship with truth, safety and self trust?
[00:05:53] Speaker C: Goodness me, far out. Huge question, cj, Huge question. Moments from my earlier life. I grew up in a pretty tumultuous environment. A pretty tumultuous. Like that's quite an understatement. Lots of, lots of violence, all versions of abuse. There was no safety in my childhood of any kind. I don't remember, I don't remember. I've tried, I've actually tried really hard, but I don't remember being hugged as a child. Right. And my specific kind of abuse started from infancy and all the way through, you know, different versions of it. And so, and the worst kinds, just the worst kinds. And so they're really. When you talk about, you ask a question about safety, I learned my first lessons of safety was, wasn't like utterly what is not safe. But as a child what we do is we take whatever we get and then we label that safety. And then, and then so we think that what we've got is safe. And humans are creatures of habits. Our brain likes to form, you know, neuro, neurological pathways and then they don't like to be changed. You know, so we, the patterning that gets created in childhood, that becomes our programming for life. And so we go through life recreating that same same safety. And that's what I did for a lot of my life over and over and over again. So that was, you know, I left home when I was, I say I left home. I ran away when I was about 13 ish, 1314 ish. And I never went back. And for me that moment of it was like a line in the sand for me because it was just abuse relentlessly, daily, all versions of it, sexual, physical, emotional, psychological versions of abuse. It was like my soul was like just why not add another thing on the plate? You know.
And so by the time I was 13, it was a really, it was a really pivotal point for me because 13, 14, I can't remember. I was very young and I just don't think any 13 year old should be having these kinds of moments in their life or having to consider this, you know, where I had to really take my life into my own hands. I could no longer, I could no longer rely upon those that were supposed to be the ones to take care of me. You know, when a child is born into this world, they're 100% dependent on their caregivers for everything. Safe, food, love, nurturing, nourishment, all of it.
And by the time I was 13, I realized that I'm not getting that here, so I've. I've got to take care of myself.
Yeah. So at 13, I made that decision and to. To run away.
And I never.
I never went back, you know, and so safety for me has been an evolving concept.
An evolving concept. And it's. And this is. You know, a lot of the work that I do now with my clients is because of. Because of what I've been through and what I've had to fight through, and. Oh, it feels like I've been here for a lot longer than what I have.
[00:09:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:20] Speaker C: Safety in the child, in the child parts of us, is something that I have spent a really long time getting into within myself and creating safety where there was not, and showing my child self like that was not. There's nothing in that environment that is safe. That's truly the only way to stop, to end the cycles of recreating what we labeled as safety, you know, so.
Yeah, I hope that answered that question.
[00:09:54] Speaker B: Yeah, it did. Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's tough. What did walking yourself through those personal wildfires teach you that no teacher or system ever could?
[00:10:02] Speaker C: Oh, it's the thing that I stand for today and every day and in every session with my client, it's the thing my clients. And it's. It's the thing that I live my life by, and that is sovereignty. Sovereignty.
You know, I've spent a long time going through life really desperately wanting someone, something, somewhere to come and save me, come and take care of me, come and protect me. And that's absolutely valid because a child is supposed to rely upon the world around them to provide that for them. And so what happens when a child gets traumatized?
They don't. They. A lot of the time we get stuck in that child state. And that until we can actually get what we need, that child is just at play in our lives. So the child, even though I'm growing up, even though I'm physically getting bigger, there's still a child still searching for this safety, this protection, this love, this, you know, but she's searching for it in places where I'm never going to find it, because all I'm doing is recreating the same environments in my adult life over and over and over again, you know, and so what.
What I learned through all of that sovereignty is being the source of your own power, your own Love and your own protection and your own safety. And that's not. People get misconstrued with that. That all that makes you isolated from the rest of the world. No, it makes you whole. It makes you whole. And when you're whole, you actually have a fuller capacity to connect at a level that's not accessible to you with people around you, because you're not dependent on other people's, you know, like, opinion of you, love of you, acceptance of you. You are whole within yourself. I love all of myself.
And you've got to actually love the darkness. Absolutely love the darkness that we each hold within us. Love the shame, like, all of it.
Because until we truly can get to that point within ourselves, there's always going to be a part of ourselves that we can't.
If that makes sense.
[00:12:24] Speaker B: Absolutely makes sense. Yeah.
[00:12:26] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:12:26] Speaker B: Wow. It's powerful. Thank you. How did becoming a mother shift your sense of responsibility toward healing and sovereignty.
[00:12:33] Speaker C: More this totally transformed. Like, it just was. It obliterated me. Becoming a mother obliterated me.
I had such an incredible birth experience, CJ and at first, it was quite challenging because it was during a time where the world was going through mayhem.
And again, this issue of sovereignty kept coming up for me.
So before I became pregnant with my son, I had two miscarriages back to back. And so this. Anyone who has had a miscarriage and then become pregnant afterwards, you understand the experience of that pregnancy is not one of excitement and joy, and there are moments of it, but every day you're. You sit down on the toilet and you're like, is today gonna be the day that I'm gonna lose it? You know, every day, this anxiety. And it was during the time of, you know, when the COVID vaccines and things like that were being rolled out, and I didn't feel comfortable with getting it during my pregnancy and had some really horrific experiences with that in the. In the hospital system.
And so I'd made a pretty crazy decision to birth the baby on my own terms.
And so I did. I. And I didn't. You know, it was a.
They call it a free birth. And it was just me and his dad at the time.
I did a whole bunch of research. I did a lot of preparation. It wasn't just like, I. I winged it, but I figured women had been giving birth for, you know, a really long time.
[00:14:11] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:14:11] Speaker C: The hospitalization of birth has only really been in the last 100, 150 years. So before that, we did a pretty good job birthing babies on our own, and it was the most incredible, unbelievable, soul shattering experience of my entire life. And, you know, people talk about the.
The. The, like a woman opens the birth portal when she gives birth to a baby because there's the. The birthing of the physical baby, but then the soul itself needs to be born into.
Into the reality. And I kid you not, I actually witnessed with my eyes this portal opening around me. And it was right at the moment where he was crowning between worlds, you know, And I was in a pitch black room and I'm deep in this yogi squat in our makeshift bathtub. And for a moment, a split second, I flash my eyelids open and the hot, like the room was like, lit up with the brightest light I'd ever seen in my life. And I was surrounded by women in circle, and they were singing, they were chanting, they were drumming, you know, they were calling this soul into being. It was the most, like, unbelievable. And it felt like it lasted a lifetime. And there was this one woman that was at the center. She was like the matriarch. And I just felt these, like, laser beam. And it was this exchange of, like, he's your responsibility now. He's here for humanity. You're here for humanity. It's time. Don't F this up. And that experience, cj, Total, it totally shattered me. Shattered me.
Shattered the me that I thought I was.
Shattered the identity that I had built. Shattered every aspect of who I.
Who I had built myself to be in the world. All of a sudden, nothing mattered anymore other than what I'm here to serve for humanity and serving that at the highest level because this soul is here. And for some reason, I. It was like I just have. I have to.
I have to be and do whatever I can because serving humanity means serving him and his reality and his life, you know, And.
And from that point on, life pulled me in a trajectory that I just. I couldn't plan it if I tried to. So did that answer the question?
[00:16:47] Speaker B: Yeah. That's wild. It sounds wild.
[00:16:50] Speaker C: It was a totally wild experience.
Literally.
[00:16:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I. I'm just totally amazed by that. And it sounds like all the ancestors came together and helped you in that moment and.
[00:17:01] Speaker C: Yes. And you know what?
Totally pain free. I did not experience pain at all.
[00:17:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Wow. Yeah.
[00:17:07] Speaker C: Yeah. And I. It was just breath work that I used. Breath work. Power of the breath is pretty extraordinary.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:17:17] Speaker B: I'm just still. Yeah. Mind boggled by that because it's. It just sounds like the right thing. You know what I mean? It just has a sense of rightness. To it. And the fact that you were giving this, like, a connected mission in life from that is super powerful. You know what I mean? It's like, you're out. You're now on a hero's journey to bring this life into life.
That's fantastic.
[00:17:38] Speaker C: It was really extraordinary. Chris. And do you prefer Chris or cj? Sorry, cj.
[00:17:44] Speaker B: Cj.
[00:17:45] Speaker C: Cj. I'm so sorry.
[00:17:46] Speaker B: That's okay.
[00:17:47] Speaker C: I don't know why.
Yeah. Yeah. And so when, you know, when you. When you. When you ask. I'm circling back to a question you already asked me.
Re answering.
When you ask me, like, what is it about me that I want people to know? It's like, I'm not people. Like, I just refuse to believe what's offered to me. So, like, when I'm told you can't do something, or someone else has got a power, you know, and you've got to submit to that power or someone else's knowledge or someone else's way or someone. I'm just like, I'm sorry, but no, no, there's got to be. There's always a way. And I'm someone that fiercely like. It's. It's the truth of my heart that I let light the way for me.
And I will fight. I will fight whatever, whoever, however, whenever, do whatever is required for the. For my right to follow what this thing says.
And that's. That's taken a freaking journey to get to the point where. No, no, no, no, no.
Not only do I understand the language of my own heart's truth, people believe that the soul enters through the heart, you know, and so.
And. And there's. There's research done now that the heart, like, can hold its own independent memory and that the heart itself can tell the future.
So the power of the heart is something that we've been.
It's been very underestimated, but a lot of us are disconnected from this thing. Our relationship with our own heart, with the language of it, which is feelings and emotions, is.
Oof. You know, So.
[00:19:36] Speaker B: I like the way you put that.
[00:19:37] Speaker C: So, yeah. So that's why I spend a lot of my life aligning myself to this and fighting for the right to have this beautiful.
What makes the decisions? I decide with my heart, and my brain calculates the process of how it's going to come to be, if that makes sense.
[00:19:51] Speaker B: How would you define alchemizing darkness based on lived experience rather than theory?
[00:19:58] Speaker C: Yeah. Such a good question.
So I explained something to my. To my clients because I believe wholeheartedly that childhood is the place where our programming as human beings is established.
And so programming for the better or for the worse. And a lot of the time, a lot of the time, it's for the worst.
We're stuck in these cycles. And it all originates in childhood. You know, up until the age of seven, children's brains are in a constant state of theta state, right? Which is the meditative very.
Anything that goes in during theta state is boom. It's programmed in for life, right? And so a lot of us, the reality of this world is the duality of it. You cannot have light without dark. And typically, most of us experience the majority of the darkness in childhood. Pendulum swings, though, right? So however far the pendulum swings into the darkness, it must, at some point, swing the equal distance into the light.
However, if we cannot recognize what the darkness is, if we cannot take ourselves to the darkness, see it, feel it, to transmute something literally means to feel it you must feel in order to heal. And so I do a lot of work, a lot of work with my clients, healing the child parts in us. And I'm kind of an annoying person because we say a lot of things, a lot of phrases, a lot of things that we actually don't know what we're saying. And so I get a bit annoying because I'm constantly breaking down these phrases, very common phrases like inner child healing.
Okay, let's do some inner child healing. What are we doing? Where is this inner child? What is it? Is there a little person inside of you that we're then gonna like, what? And if I were to give you a task, cj, without an instruction, without the instructions, like, how well are you? How effective are you gonna be at completing that task?
So what I do often is I break it all the way down in a way that we can see it, we can feel it, we can smell it, we can touch it. Because we live in a physical environment for a reason. So we have to make things so simplified.
And so when it comes to alchemizing the darkness, what I explained to my clients is that if we take the child right, we think that time is a linear progression and that we are one thing that has grown slowly over time.
But actually, I don't see time that way. The way I see time is more like a candle, a candlelight, or a flame.
You know, it looks like one solid flame the entire time, but when you slow it all the way down, you actually see that it's like millions, depending on how long you have it going for. But it's like Millions of individual flickers, individual flames, right? And so that's how I see the progression of us at a consciousness level. There is every moment, every second, every memory, every experience that's form, that is a separate flicker, that is a separate flame of our consciousness.
When trauma happens, that consciousness can either be fluid or get trapped.
And so I explain this concept of time zones with my clients. We live in a world where there are time zones, right? And it's kind of a crazy concept to me, but we just accept it as reality and normal. You know, I have lots of friends that live in America, and America's like, I don't know, depending where you are, it's at least 16, 17 hours behind us here in Australia, right?
So technically, you could say that people that live in America are in the past and people that live in Australia are in the future. And there are things that have happened here that haven't happened yet in America.
However, if I were to pick up my phone and call my friend Angie, lives in the southern states of America, her phone's not going to trigger in the past, her phone's going to trigger in the moment. So then we cross timelines to have this conversation, right? It's active and it's right now, even though she's in the past and I'm in the future. That's wild to me, right? And so we have these individual flickers, these child parts that have existed when trauma happens in childhood.
That child, you know, I see it as. There's a real life child that's existing in a real life time zone, not in the past, but actually right now.
And so whatever that child experienced, if it wasn't transmuted there in that moment, then that child relives that it's over and over and over again.
And so a time zone that's like 20 hours behind, that's like deep, deep, very young child stuff. Time zone that's like two hours.
Two hours behind. Well, this is like recent stuff.
Does that make sense?
[00:25:23] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:25:24] Speaker C: And so I'm sure, yeah, it's wild, right? What? But this is the real. This is what. This is, what I do, cj, Is that I can't just accept a term like inner child healing. I'm like, okay, well, let's do that. But what the f. Are we doing first?
You know, and so when people can connect to an actual child in a real life time zone, all of a sudden they have access to healing a child's self, right? So what happens, like I said earlier, is that if that thing, if that Experience isn't transmuted there and then, then it's the child that's front and center, constantly reliving and looking for whatever it needed in that moment.
So we might grow bigger and stronger, but the child is at the forefront. Right? And so we're now adults.
Someone says something, but the child hears it. And just like my friend Angie, the child isn't triggered in the past when the thing happened. The child becomes triggered right here, right now.
And so what I do with people when I transmute this darkness is I get people pretty quickly and pretty accurately take them to that core moment the very first time they experienced whatever that thing is. And we hold space and we let the child feel it. We let the child see it, we let the child express it.
When the child can safely, we create the safety for the child in that time zone so that the child can actually feel what they were never allowed to feel.
Only then can they heal from that darkness transmutes.
And all of a sudden, this person, where whoever it was that caused the thing, the abuse, whatever holds that person, holds the power over that person.
By doing this, we actually take the power back. We become more whole, more sovereign, and we can actually be more of an adult in our everyday lives.
No, science, neuroscience, whatever it is, it's like they've said that 90% of the time, human beings are not responding to the. Are not in the present moment, responding to the present moment. 90% of the time. It is an overlay of the past that we're reacting to 90% of the time.
[00:27:54] Speaker B: Wow, that's mind blowing, isn't it?
[00:27:57] Speaker C: Isn't it? And so this is, this is the work that I do. And this is when I talk about transmuting darkness, that's what I'm talking about.
[00:28:06] Speaker B: Okay, that makes complete sense to me.
What misconceptions do people often hold about trauma healing that you see play out repeatedly?
[00:28:15] Speaker C: Misconceptions about trauma healing? Well, the biggest one for me is like, is not, is when people don't take it all the way back to childhood.
That's the biggest one for me. You know, we get this experience a lot of the time where people, they come to me and they're like, I've. I've tried, I've tried everything. I've done everything. I've been everywhere I've done this, I've done that. I feel like I'm still in the same place.
Yeah.
[00:28:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:42] Speaker C: So, Pete, a lot of people, when they come to me, they, they share things. Like I've done so many different Things I've done. So I've tried all the different things, the full spectrum of things that there are. I've tried them all. And yet I still feel as if I'm in the same place or I still feel as if I'm having the same kind of reactions to the same old thing. I'm still. Still attracting the same kind of relationships. You know, I don't seem to be able to move past it. And so we do all of this work, but unless we are actively going to the child in the way that I just described, then all the work that we're doing is effectively just managing symptoms and cycles CJ will repeat over and over and over again until we stop and we actually deal with the core of the issue. And given that our programming gets set in stone in childhood, the core of all issues is childhood.
Every single time.
Every single time. And so for me, if you're not doing that work with the child, they're just dealing with symptoms.
They're just dealing with symptoms.
Yeah. And the other thing is as well, and I think a lot of people will resonate with this, is that the person that you work with through this trauma is like, that's probably the most important decision you can make, you know, because I personally want to work with someone that hasn't just learned from a book, you know, I want to work with someone that I know has put themselves through the abs, has done themselves, you know, what there is to do to heal within themselves.
[00:30:29] Speaker B: Lived experience.
[00:30:30] Speaker C: Lived experience.
Like, I can't give someone instructions unless I'm willing to do that exact thing for me. That's not authentic to do that. That's not real to do that. Unless I'm willing to get down on my knees and clean the toilet, I'm not going to ask someone else to do it. Yeah.
[00:30:48] Speaker B: So looking at your numerology systems and how you understand numerology, what drew you to that? Because, I mean, I have to be honest with me and numerology in the past, it's been a bit of a. This seems a bit fluffy and it doesn't have any grounding whatsoever. But when my wife showed me what you're doing, I was like, what? This makes complete sense.
This is why we're here now. Right. So I need to understand more. So what. Where did you start with that? What happened?
How did you come to numerology and finding your way with numbers that is different to what most numerology seems to be?
[00:31:27] Speaker C: It's a pretty wild story.
Yeah. So I've always been into Numbers. Always loved numbers in school. I was like, maths is my jam. You know, it makes sense. Sense, it's definitive as long as you know you can recognize a certain question. And you, and you, and you also know specific, the specific formulas you always only ever like, that's it, it's, it's not opinion based. I really didn't like things that were opinion based. I didn't like English. I didn't, you know, for the, for the single reason that someone's marking me based off their opinion and then they're marking my opinion on someone else's opinion and it's just too much room for error for me. Whereas mathematics is like, it's black and white. It's either right or it's wrong. And if it's wrong, there's always, there's always a productive reason for why it's wrong. You can go back and work out where you made a mistake and then fix it. It's not, you know, we're not attacking your character because you have a bad opinion on something. It's like, no, no, no, it's out here, right? So I've always loved numbers, always resonated with them. But again, I spent because of the kind of childhood experience that I had. I had a lot of ex, very, very, very challenging experience with a lot of darkness, like dark black magic and ritualistic type abuse where they kind of did some very dark, dark, dark, horrible, supernatural type stuff. And so I spent like a lot of my life just shutting it all out. No, no, no, no, no. I'd always seen spirits. I'd always have, like, would see things around people and lights and you know, crazy things. But no, no, no, no, no. Became very rational fact based science, like very rigid because it was too scary for me. The birth of my son, as I said, totally shattered all of that. And it was now undeniable. This, from that birth, it was as if I was just pulled in a certain direction and things kept dropping in. And I remember I was at a community event. I had my son in a carrier on my chest and a man appeared. I didn't even see him walk up to me, but he just appeared and he started speaking to me about my son's numerology, about his numbers. Like that was no hello, no how are you, no nice to meet you. Just boom, launched straight into my son's numerology. And obviously that freaked me out. What freaked me out more was that I had this experience in my body. Like it was, my body was vibrating, vibrating. Listening to him talk about Numerology. This is a weird experience.
Anyway, brushed it off. The next day I go into this new agey shop, get chatting with the woman. Oh, I'm a numerologist. Why is it I've never heard this word before in my life? Two days in a row?
You know, she gives me the number of a woman. I call it, oh, I'm.
If you want to learn, I'm willing to teach you. And this woman had been secretly practicing numerology for 20, 30 years.
And she learned from a gentleman who learned from his grandfather, who learned from his grandfather, and so on and so forth. So to this day, I've never read a book on numerology, and I won't read a book on numerology. And as I was going through Joe, my teacher teaching me, kept having this experience where I'd go, oh, that's right, I remember that. But I don't remember that.
[00:34:53] Speaker B: Yeah, right.
[00:34:54] Speaker C: I don't. How do I remember something I don't know, you know? And by the end of the. The teaching experience, the learning experience with her, she.
I was. I was almost fluent in this brand new language that I had just learned, and I could not explain it. So, yeah, so numerology, it seems, is. Is actually something that I have been doing at a soul level for a very, very, very, very, very long time. A very long time. It was a really crazy experience. And then. And I'd never experienced anything like that before, and it just kept calling and I mean, I was learning this thing when I had an infant newborn. I was in the throes of postpartum. I had half a brain, as you do after you give birth. And all of the things I was there was like, what was I doing learning this thing? I'm the kind of person likes to flick to the end of the book. Okay, that's how it's ending. You know, I like to know where I'm going. And I had not. This was the first time in my life where I was like, I don't know why I'm doing this.
I have no reason for this. I'm stressing myself out and I'm anyway. And so. So, yeah, it was like I was fluent in this brand new language that I had just learned. And it just kept calling to me. I became a doula. I supported other women to have birth, to have. After my son was a certain age, as a free little gift thing on the side for the mothers that I was supporting, I'd do a little numerology chart up and I'd do a Little reading for their newborn. And one thing. And I just kept getting requests for readings, and I was like, I don't want to do that. I want. I want doula clients. You know, I'm a doula.
But the numerology kept coming in, and everything has just for. It's like, everything's just lined up, you know, I wasn't ever intending on creating a whole business and anything out of numerology. I had no idea what I was doing it for at all. I didn't even want to do readings for people, you know, And I definitely didn't want to teach it in courses. But a woman called me up that I had previously done a reading for and asked me to teach her, and that's where the courses came from, you know, and to this day, she still hasn't done the course. And so it was like, literally divine intervention that had her call me and say, can you teach me? And I just was like, sure, I could do that.
Wrote a course over the weekend, and then started teaching this thing called numerology. And.
Yeah, and so it's just been something that has. It's feels very strongly like it's been something that has been awakened from within me that then I'm bringing out into the world. And so I'm very.
I've gone from. Who I am is not enough, and I need to prove that I have the right to speak with all of these pieces of paper that say so to. I will not read a book on numerology. I will not look it up on ChatGPT. I will not. You know, I won't do that, because now I understand my own numerology, and I understand my soul's purpose. I understand, like, I can. I really understand that now, and I understand who I am and what I'm here for.
And so I'm very, very, very careful, cautious to not contaminate what is supposed to come through me organically.
[00:38:17] Speaker B: That's a good path, and it sounds wonderful that you've actually been connected so deeply to that. I'm just curious, though, what first revealed to you that numbers held far more information than personality traits or life paths?
[00:38:31] Speaker C: Oh, my goodness. I think, cj, it's always been my approach with it because of my kind, my history.
And I've done many different things over my life. You know, I've been a coach, and I've. And I've led seminars to, like, hundreds, thousands of people. I've done. I've been an electrician. I've been a reiki healer. I've Done this, I've done that. I've done so. So many crazy, ridiculous, insane, different things. And.
And also my experience with trauma and the kind of abuses and violence and things like that, that I have personally had to, like, really heal myself.
There's a way that I see the world that's just not necessarily a standard way of seeing the world and the way I see people. And so numbers, for me, was such a gift because it gives me the access into seeing someone's world, understanding them without trauma. It's a neutral understanding. It's like, this is your coding.
[00:39:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Wow.
[00:39:44] Speaker C: So if you can understand your code. And this is.
So this is like. Like I said, it's neutral. Right. However, because of my awareness, my experience, I look at those numbers, and I can see this is the kind of human experience you've probably had. You've likely had this kind of relationship with your parents, and, you know, because of the duality and the pendulum swinging, I can see that. All right, you got a three in your life path number. Your birth date also starts with a three.
So speaking up and speaking your truth and expressing yourself and telling a story has always been something that you personally, C.J. have like, been reaching for your entire life. But perhaps you've had experiences in your life where you actually had to fight for the right to speak, to speak up, and to have your voice heard in. In a way that is truly you. And then now with this podcast, right. Every guest you get on is like a different. Another version of a truth that is actually within yourself, you know? And so.
[00:40:49] Speaker B: Nailed it.
[00:40:52] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, there's no. Because you're a 34. 7. The sevens are just. It's so multifaceted. It's not one ideal. It's not one belief system. It's like. No, no, no, no, no. There's all these pieces in the universe.
Three, four sevens. What they do is they gather all these pieces, and they have this really magical way of. Of crafting all.
All together and distilling it down. And then here's the message. Here's the story, you know, and that's beautiful. And so that's. But that didn't come easy, right? Getting to this point for you didn't come easy. There was lots of trials and tribulations, and if you think about it, a lot of. A lot of the triggers that you've probably had in life have been around the. Speaking of your truth.
[00:41:42] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:41:43] Speaker C: And being heard in that. Right. And so that's. That's.
[00:41:47] Speaker B: Yeah, that blows my mind. I'm like, oh, you're actually talking about me. Oh my God.
[00:41:52] Speaker C: What?
[00:41:53] Speaker B: That's. Yeah, that, that's. And that's exactly. So on point to my understanding and how I. Pretty much the reason why I did this. So that's, that's, that's it.
Now I've got to ask you, how do numbers and letters function as symbolic coding within the human experience?
[00:42:10] Speaker C: Oh my goodness. Such a good question. So all numbers and letters are like labels for the different energy that exists in the universe. And it's pretty undeniable now that actually everything is energy.
Nothing is solid as we perceive it. It's all energy. And the thing about energy is that you can never get rid of it.
You can't dissolve energy, you can't disappear. It can only ever be transmuted. You can only stay the same or be transmuted into a higher or lower frequency. Right.
Energy, which means that anything that has ever existed will always exist. And numbers, we have the numbers 1 to 9, right? And that's it, that's all we've got. But between those numbers 1 to 9, there is an unlimited amount of potential combinations of numbers. And so if you think about the world in which we live in, there is not. I challenge you to think of a single place on this planet that doesn't distill down to numbers, that isn't built from numbers.
[00:43:21] Speaker B: Makes sense.
[00:43:22] Speaker C: Numbers form a fundamental foundational piece to everything in all of life, in every area, from time to money to measurement, like everywhere. And when you understand that numbers, all they are, are actually energy, then when you can understand the energy that's behind the numbers, all of a sudden you get access to understanding the coding of the actual universe itself. Yeah.
And numbers are definitive. It's something, the thing that really resonates with people, people get so excited by is that we've been using numbers our entire life.
It's not a new concept.
And so it's like I've had this person in my life come with me. Everywhere I go, they're there. When I go to the toilet, they're there. When I go to the shops, they're there. When I'm, you know, everywhere I go, they're there.
But I have no idea who they are. I have no idea what the purpose of them are like. Of what the purpose of them is. They're just always there. And so when people learn about what's actually behind these numbers, all of a sudden it's like a curtain lifts and it's like, now I understand. I don't Just understand what numbers mean. But because numbers are everywhere. When you understand the energy, it doesn't. You. It's. It's universal. You can apply the information everywhere to your own date of birth, you know, to someone else's date of birth, to the day you started your business or the day you got married, or your house number or your. Bit like.
Like it's your pets. You're this. Like, everything is numbers, everything is energy. So if you really want to.
And I have this saying, cj, I have this quote. One day I'll be quoted that, you know, you can either use the numbers for your own benefit, for your own advancement in life, for your own purpose and whatever. You can either use the numbers or be used by the numbers, right? JP Morgan Chase, he's quoted. He says, millionaires don't believe in numerology and astrology, but billionaires do. And so if you think for a second that the people at the highest of the highest, you know, the elites at the top, don't know this stuff and are not actively using it, then you're crazy. And I'm like, hang on a second.
Every single one of us is born and the very first thing we receive is numbers. Hang on, what about that?
And yet we go our entire lives fumbling through it. I don't know. I guess this is what I'm supposed to be doing. I don't really understand myself, but this feels right. I don't. Like, we just have no bloody idea.
But we go on this journey of searching for who we are, what our purpose is and what we're supposed to be doing. I do lots of readings for people like, 50s, 60s, 70s, and they're like, I don't know what my purpose is, but what if I told you that you had access to understanding who you are, the soul that you are, what you're here for, the specific ways you're actually meant to navigate and operate the environments you're supposed to exist within.
You know, the kind of soul that you are. Like all of that that you've ever wanted to know. You literally had access to the moment.
[00:46:56] Speaker B: You were born here, if you had the information.
[00:46:59] Speaker C: Well, that's why. That's right, exactly. Exactly.
[00:47:03] Speaker B: How does a numerological fingerprint show how someone receives, stores, and processes information?
[00:47:11] Speaker C: Yes.
So the way that I work with numerology, when I do readings and when I teach it is your date of birth is kind of like your VIN number. This is like the make and the model of the vehicle that your soul came here to drive inside of. Right? And the thing that drives the vehicle is the soul. And all the information you want to know about the soul that you are is all laid out under your birth name, right? So, so the date of birth is like the make and the model numerology. We have this thing called the grids, which I actually refer to as your operating style.
And, and I talk about the gears that you have. So. And this is the thing about numbers and numerology. Just so bloody simple, right? And so the gears that you have, AKA the numbers that you have, that make up your birth date, when you read it in a certain way, can literally tell you how you receive and store and make sense of the world. So some people are very.
If they have a lot of numbers in a certain line of this grid, right? If you think about like a, like a gearbox in your car, right? And there's lines literally in the gearbox that each gear kind of is stationed at. Imagine each one of those lines represents something different.
And depending on where your gears are in that gearbox can tell you exactly how you. What gears you've got to operate within. So some people will be people that are very, you know, if their birth date has like one fours and sevens, they're going to be very practical, very grounded people. So if I was going to sell them a car, I wouldn't talk to them about how they're going to look in this car, how they're going to feel in this car. The first question I would ask them is, what's the purpose you need for this vehicle? Practical. And then I'm going to sell to them all the practical reasons why this is the right car. I'm going to talk about the fuel consumption, right?
Because that's how they receive information.
That's what makes sense to them. But if someone has two fives and eights in their birth date, then they're much more of an emotional person.
So for them it is about the feeling, it is about the comforts.
Right?
[00:49:28] Speaker B: Right.
[00:49:29] Speaker C: I want practicality. They've likely got some numbers in that practicality line. So there's a specific purpose I want for this vehicle, but I want the heated seats, I want it to feel luxurious, you know what I'm saying? And you can literally understand that by simply looking at someone's date of birth. Yeah, yeah. Excuse me. And that's just one tiny aspect of that. There's, there's like, there's, there's like, there's also understanding how you accomplish things, how you go about accomplishing things.
You know, some people are meant to do the in between work, like you, cj, you're really meant to.
[00:50:10] Speaker B: I'm the person that, Yeah, I work in the background and make things happen.
[00:50:14] Speaker C: Yes, but you actually have the capacity, like, you can have an idea, you can see the big picture, but then you have the capacity to actually do the grind work behind the scenes. And you can be a little bit stubborn in that. Like, it has to be a certain specific way.
[00:50:34] Speaker B: My God, yes.
[00:50:37] Speaker C: Yeah. And you can't really oversee someone else doing it because you'll be just like, but did you make sure you did this? And what about that? And yeah, you know, so letting go often work alone. Yeah, because. Yeah, that's right. See, and so when you understand that about yourself, you understand how you work and how you operate. And so, you know, like, I. Advice I would give to you, right, is because you can. You have a lot of gears. You've got five gears in your gearbox, right?
Five different numbers in your birth date. You can only have a maximum of seven different numbers because you can't fit nine numbers in someone's birth date, right? So you can only fit seven different numbers in someone's birth date. And so you have five of the seventh. That's a lot of gears.
And if you think about how fast you can go in fifth gear, how many places you can get to versus, versus, if a car only had three gears, going to be moving at a much slower pace, not going to be able to handle as many things all at the same time, Right? But you got five different gears. So you're someone you like, have lots of ideas, you want to do lots of different things, you know, so. So you have this capacity to start with one thing and focus on one thing and you will see. See it all the way through, you know, so you can be very selective with the things that you commit to because, you know, once you're in, like, that's it, your whole life is going to be about that thing, you know?
[00:52:03] Speaker B: But I am also known for collecting courses.
[00:52:06] Speaker C: Yeah, that's the. That's the three. The threes are this childlike curiosity that just. They just love learning, Love learning.
[00:52:15] Speaker B: In your work with neurology, what usually shifts first for clients once their neurology blueprint is reflected back to them.
[00:52:23] Speaker C: Oh, my gosh, it's so exciting. Like, Like I said, a lot of people come to me and after they've done all the different things, and the thing that is so profound for people is, like I said, a person's numerology is like their coding. And so the coding is beyond all the layers, beyond all the identities that they've had to build to survive a certain way through life. And it's beyond what the people in the world around them perceive of them, what they think about themselves, what they believe about themselves, whether it's good, bad, in between, whatever the numerology is like, this is the core of who you really are. And oftentimes, excuse me, people experiencing these readings for the first time ever, actually being seen for who they actually are in a way they've never been seen in a pretty succinct way that, you know, they haven't seen before. And a lot of the time they experience things like I'm. And I get, people say this to me a lot is like you're saying things out loud that I have only felt within and I've never been able to put words to, you know. So people's numerology in these readings, particularly, I suppose the way I do it, is it's like, like holding up a mirror to them. And for the first time they're seeing a reflection that is actually who they are, not all of the filters of who they think they are or who the world wants them to be or this or that or whatever. It's actually who they are.
[00:54:01] Speaker B: Wow. It sounds like a profound shift for people to actually see that for the first time and to realize that. So then it actually makes me wonder then why does unbiased data often feel confronting, yet at the same time deeply revealing?
[00:54:16] Speaker C: Oh my goodness, such a good question. Did you come up with these, like, so powerful. These questions are awesome. I'm really, really, really enjoying this.
So to answer your question, part of the reason why is because. So we have someone's birth date and their name that's given at birth. Right. And those are the two things that are given at birth. So those are the two things that are very, very, very significant. And in numerology, when you combine those two things, you create a chart. I actually refer to this chart as a person's incarnation contract.
Right. And so I know, it's so exciting. And so, you know, we live in a reality that's consent based.
Right. So if I was to go bungee jumping tomorrow, I'm going to sign a waiver before that.
So everything that we do in this reality is all consent based. And the things that we're not actively consenting to, if we don't actively say no to something, then implied consent is given.
[00:55:23] Speaker B: Right?
[00:55:23] Speaker C: Right. And so if you think about someone's and that. So that's why this Incarnation contract is like, this is literally the clauses in which you came here on.
This is your coding. This is your blueprint. This is the contract you've signed, the kind of experience you've said that you're going to have here and what you're going to do here and why you're going to do it. Right. And so a lot of the time, yes, it is incredibly simple. But consulting the original contract for people, a lot of the time, that's very confronting.
Very. Because it's like, okay, like, I've done all these other things. I've looked. I've had all the. Like, I've had psychic readings that have told me this. I've had this reading. I've. Whatever. I've gone and studied this, or I've done all these other things, and people will do that. And the last thing people will often do is actually consult the original freaking contract that they sign. It's like a level of, all right. Like, I'm. You've got to be at a point where you're ready to actually take responsibility for what you agreed to do here in the first place, because a lot of that involves undoing a lot of ways of being and acting and behaving that aren't congruent with who you came here to be in the first place.
[00:56:46] Speaker B: Wow. Okay. I'm curious, though, because, like, I'm. I was born under one name and then adopted out at 29 days and had my name changed. How does that affect.
[00:56:59] Speaker C: Oh, my gosh, it's crazy.
So the person's name is someone's actual soul itself. So when.
Yeah. And so people are like, should I change my. I'm like, no, don't change your name. That just complicates everything. But it's. I never like to answer questions like this in a. Like, just like. I don't like generalization. One thing could be true for one person and be totally different for another person.
The fact that it happened 29 days later, the number 29, when you add that up, is actually 11. 11 is a master number. And it's actually the number of the true psychic energy, which is spiritual messenger energy.
And so I'm going to answer this question specific to you.
Right.
If that's okay. People often.
The number. Just to explain the number 11.
Right. People see it all the time. 11, 11, angel number, all this stuff. And when they see it, it's like, oh, I'm on the right path. And the thing that blows me away. Right. Is that someone could know nothing about numerology. They could know nothing about energy or synchronicity or care for it or whatever, but they'll see 11:11 on the clock and have a physiological experience.
Like, that's a wild phenomena to me, right? Because what they're. They are energy interacting with energy. And so people see 1111 and they go, oh, I'm on the right path. And that's true to. To an extent, but there's more to the story.
The 11 is the number of the spiritual messenger, the spiritual guide. And so the veil is very thin between you and whatever your higher source is, right? And so that number, when that number is around, it's never random. It's never accidental. It's always for a very specific reason.
And so when you see 1111 people are like, I'm on the right path. I'm like, yeah, there's a very good chance that what's going on in your life, like, shit's hitting the fan a little bit. It's not an easy time, right? Because if you're seeing that, that's actually a message from your higher source, whatever that is coming in and going, hey, we know it's a bit shit right now, but we're. It's. This is happening for a higher purpose. We are physically realigning your life in a way to get you back on the on path, right? So the fact that that happened for you 29 days, which is 11 after you were born, that was for a higher purpose. And some people like, that was. That was from a high. And so the original parents, whatever happened with them, your trajectory in this physical experience was meant to be with the second set of parents, right? Your soul was needed in this reality. We. We got to get that soul down. I see. The way I view souls is like they're each a resource. And so Earth is like, we're in renovation. I gotta call in certain contractors, different realms from different. You know, your soul is needed in this realm, and so we gotta get it in one way or another. And you need to be with these people, but these people can't have babies for whatever reason.
Do you see? So it's like you had to come through this way to get. To get over there. Yeah, that's what came through specifically for you anyway.
[01:00:33] Speaker B: Yeah, no, that makes sense. It's exactly on point because I know the background.
[01:00:38] Speaker C: Cool. Cool. Yes. So the soul itself, someone's name.
This literally, this is the soul contract. You can work, you can look at the soul. Very. The name. Sorry, I just referred to it as a sold out. But the name, it's literally someone's soul trajectory in this reality.
So when you start manipulating with people's names, you're manipulating their soul's trajectory.
So just be very mindful of that.
[01:01:09] Speaker B: What patterns do you notice among people who've experienced rapid and lasting change?
[01:01:13] Speaker C: Patterns. What patterns have I noticed among people?
Well, the people that have experienced the most rapid change are the people that put themselves at issue and surrender themselves to the process, to who they're here to be. It's the people that.
That come to me for support and guidance, but then resist the whole way.
That doesn't work very well. It is, actually. Can be quite painful.
I'm very lucky, though. I tend to attract clients that are chomping at the bit. They're ready. I've tried everything else, and I'm ready for, like. And yeah, it is. It's incredibly instant. And because of the way that I work with numerology, there's no mucking around. There's no warmup period, you know, I can have. And I did. Yesterday, I had a session with a woman who was the very first session ever. She was a healer herself, a reiki healer, you know, And I didn't have to get to know her. I didn't have to get to know her history or her background, because I look at her numerology, I see exactly how her system works.
So I just go straight into that. She shares a little bit about what she's dealing with. And I'm like, okay, all right. Within 10 minutes, I had her. She was. She had connected to a child part, and she was actively releasing the tears of that child. The darkness transmuted, and she was actually left in a hole. And. And not only that, but the way that I work with her is that she with people, with all my clients, is that they. I empower them with the technique so that they. It's like. It becomes their process, you know, that's cool. And so, yeah. What patterns, what patterns do I notice in people? I notice that the moment someone gets connected to the truth of who they are, and it comes from a place that is. I'm unattached to them. I'm not a personal person in their life that has an attachment to them being and showing up for me a certain way, I'm a totally neutral person to them, right? I hold up a mirror to them and I. And they. They get seen in a way that they've never been seen before. And that is such a gift for people.
It's such a gift for them. And the moment they connect to that. And they feel the truth of that within their own bodies. Like, oh, my gosh, that is who I am.
No one's ever said it like that before or seen it like that before or made sense of it like that before.
People become obsessed with doing whatever they can to bring that out into the world.
And they'll do whatever it takes. The ones that are ready, they'll do whatever it takes.
[01:03:57] Speaker B: And how do clients describe life? Once manipulation and unconscious influence has lost.
[01:04:04] Speaker C: Its grip, how do clients describe life?
C.J. these are such good questions.
So I have a client at the moment who.
He has been traveling over in South America.
He's been traveling over in South America, and he's been on such a wild, wild journey. And he has, like. He's just. Is one of my biggest fans. And he's said to me, like, I had. He's one of the people that have said, I've done everything. And this is by far the most profound, impactful, and most effective. Actually, what he said to me recently in one of our most recent sessions was he said, this has been the most efficient, effective, and sustainable modalities for transformation and healing that I have ever experienced in my life. And I just really loved the words that he used there. Effective, efficient, and sustainable.
And sustainable is such an important word because we have all done a course, we have all done a retreat, a whatever, right? And it's great and amazing and powerful, and we get lifted up when we're there, but then we go home and it eventually fizzles away.
Well, now we just. Now we just have the knowledge, but then our capacity to actually use that and apply that in life is not necessarily there. And so the sustainability of the healing and the transformation, that, for me, is one of the most, like. It just blew me away when he used that word to describe this, because we've been working together for just a little over a year now. And he's like, I'm. I am the most masculine that I've ever been. His testosterone has actually skyrocketed through working with, you know, sessions with. With me. And he. He's more whole within himself. He's more grounded. He's more solid. He's no longer very, like, reactive to things. And it's like, once the transmuting happens from the child parts, because we go to the core, not the symptoms. We take it to the core every time, and it's active in the moment. The moment I get you to connect to that child. When we're feeling the things and we're transmuting It. It's done. It's done forever, you know, so you don't go backwards.
So. And that's been the case for every single one of my clients. They've seen significant, instant, very rapid results that haven't reversed. They actually, what clients, they get left with quite a bit of challenge in their life because the core of who they are transforms. But the word transform is kind of not accurate because it leaves you with, I was this, and now I'm something else. But actually, what happens is we get rid of everything that wasn't you in the first place, and then you arise, and then the challenge that clients get left with at that point is now I have to actually redesign, rebuild, break down the life that. The identity that I thought I was created because who I am really can't actually exist in that environment anymore.
[01:07:38] Speaker B: That's powerful.
[01:07:40] Speaker C: Good problem to have, in my opinion.
[01:07:42] Speaker B: What would you want every person to know about themselves that numbers can reflect?
[01:07:46] Speaker C: Where do I start?
Where do I start? So going back to your date of birth being like the vehicle for you in this lifetime, right? It's like if you.
There are certain ways that you are supposed to operate, and there are certain ways that you are not supposed to operate. So understanding a lot of the time, understanding the ways you're not supposed to operate is equally or, like, just as profound as understanding the ways you are supposed to operate. Because we get, you know, we go through the schooling system, right? And the schooling system, like, has its flaws. And one of them is that we get trained and conditioned to believe that it's universal in how we are supposed to do things. Meaning everybody learns the same.
Everybody has to take notes the same. Everybody has to achieve the certain results within a very specific, you know, like, parameters, right? So we all. We all take in information the same. Our learning environment all has to be the same, you know, and what that teaches us, the underlying message there is that the way you uniquely do things is. Is wrong.
Don't do it your own unique way unless you do it this one size fits all way wrong, you know, and so that sets us up in life to never validate our own ways, our own knowing, our own instincts, our own thought pattern. All of it, all of my ways are wrong. I have to do it like this. And so what this does is it unravels all the ways you're supposed to have done things, and you get to learn the ways that you uniquely operate. It's like every car doesn't operate the same way. Yes, there are basics that are, you know, the Accelerators here, this is here, whatever. But every car is different.
Every car takes a certain fuel type. And if you relate to your date of birth, if you relate to the physical self as it's a vehicle. Well, if I was going to go and buy a new car, I'm going to want to understand the most basic things about it so that I can maintain this thing. What fuel it takes, where it can drive, is it off road, on road, how many passengers it can take, all of this stuff. And it's not an emotional thing. It's like, I'm not upset that my car doesn't take diesel.
I just don't put any other fuel in it. That's just what I might get upset at the price of diesel, but I'm not upset that it's diesel, you know, and, but we go through life and we just have no idea what fuel we're specifically supposed, you know, these basic things, we have no idea. We just go, okay, well, that's what the world taught me and said that I'm supposed to be and do an act. And, you know, and so understanding who you are, how you specifically operate in the world means that you can, you can literally just drive your car where you're supposed to drive it. You can literally just get on task.
You know, when you put the right fuel in, your car drives, when you maintain it the way it needs to be maintained, it goes the distance. There's no issues, no problem, you know, but we're too busy, like doing things or the ways that we were taught we were supposed to and burning out every two seconds. We never get past the first small town, circle back to the mechanics, get fixed again, something else is wrong. We're just grinding the gears the entire time.
[01:11:35] Speaker B: This makes me circle back to your understanding of sovereignty and how important that is for you. And I think why what you're doing is you're actually offering people their own sense of sovereignty with an understanding of themselves through numbers. How does someone sense that sovereignty has actually truly landed within their own body?
[01:11:52] Speaker C: How do they sense it? They no longer essentially, they really, truly, authentically get to a point where they stop reaching for external validity, external guidance direction. They know, they no longer care what people think.
They are fiercely living their own lives, their own way in their own way.
You know, I get a lot of clients that come to me and at the beginning of the readings they're quite, you know, like this and, and they don't really. They're a bit shy or timid or they don't want to ask Too many questions or ask too much of the reading or too much of me or, you know, and they'll share little things and on, you know, but it's okay. And they had their reasons.
And by the end of the reading, they're like, screaming and shouting and laughing and swearing. I'm like, and this is how you are. This is. You know, because when I hold up a mirror to someone, I'm not just like, this is you. I oftentimes will embody the kind of expression that is their natural, organic expression.
And when they can actually connect that feel like a lot of the times people will share things that have happened in their life, and I will then embody the anger and the rage about that thing that they never got to express.
And seeing me embody that for them, they get connected to their own spirit, to their own energy, to their own. Actually. That is actually how I felt about it. That is actually how I felt about it. And no, like, I could never be that way. I'm like, but this is who you are, you know? And so it's like cracking them wide open.
When you see who you really are for the first time, there's no going back from that.
And that's all you want to be. Cause it is who you are.
And so people are like, I don't give a shit anymore. I'm going to live my life my way, you know?
[01:13:59] Speaker B: Wow, that's awesome. That sounds super liberating.
[01:14:02] Speaker C: It's super liberating. And it's like, what? Like, come on. Like, what are we doing here if we're not fiercely living life the way that we're supposed to live it?
That's crazy.
[01:14:14] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, exactly.
[01:14:16] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:14:20] Speaker B: What feels most alive for you right now as your work continues to deepen?
[01:14:25] Speaker C: What feels so alive for me right now is I've gotten to a point where I've done a lot of work where I was really focusing with people on healing darkness.
And it was just about an un. And that was appropriate. You know, last year, 2025 was a nine year. And the nine is that is all about unraveling and bringing to the surface anything that's incomplete, unresolved.
It's a very like, okay, we're in the demolition phase, pulling all of it apart. I don't know if you've ever demoed a house before, but it's very dirty. There's, like, stuff hiding in those walls. And they've been there for a lot. Like, it's not a nice, pleasant. The more you pull apart, the. It gets you Know, that's kind of what 2025 was like and years leading up to that. And so I've done a lot of work with people really getting into the darkness. And I've worked. I've worked with clients who have had some pretty severe abuse. And of course, because my.
What I've experienced, it's quite a spectrum. Like, there's not really anything someone can say to me that's gonna, you know, freak me out.
If I haven't experienced it myself, then I definitely have supported someone through it, you know, so I've done a lot of that. Getting into the darkness and healing and focusing on healing. And that's great. But what can happen when you get to a. When, when you do that and you only do that is that you can start to get to a place where we romanticize healing. So then we start manifesting things, just simply heal, right? And equally, someone can not only focus on building success in their lives.
This is when you see super successful people that are utterly unhappy because they've just hyper focused in that one direction. So you have to kind of. What I've learned and I've done both. Where I'm at now is that I'm amalgamating the two. It's in the building of your empire. Whether your empire is just to be fully expressed as who you are supposed to be fully expressed expressed as, or whether your empire is a bloody empire, global empire, whatever it is, right? It's in the building of that success that we are going to heal. The past versions of you that are coming up freaking you out, triggering you, wanting to stop you, and wanting to revert you back to what's familiar. So as we step forward, that's when we're going to get triggered. Now let's work on the trigger so you can keep going.
You know, that's where I'm at. That's where I'm really excited to work with people on is like, we're gonna do both, people. We're doing both.
[01:17:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:17:14] Speaker C: Yeah. I'm so excited for that. And I'm really excited for. You know, I really love doing readings. I really love working one on one with people. Like, over time. You know, there's that saying, cj, if you give a man a fish, he'll eat for a night, but if you teach him how to fish, he'll eat for the rest of his life.
And that's kind of where I'm at. Like, I, the, the ongoing work is so powerful because I'm working with you to integrate over time, super Powerful.
But when I get to teach people, like, it's crazy, right? Like, this is. My whole livelihood is based off this core thing, and I just want to give it away to everybody.
I want to essentially put myself out of business.
You know, I want a. Numbers are everywhere. Your children have a birth date. What if you could raise them based off their numerology? Not based off aware parenting or, like, gentle parenting or this type of parenting or that.
So much noise out there saying what your kid is, what they're not, what spectrum they belong on, what they don't. Like all this craziness. It's like, what about their coding? What about just understanding their coding? What about that? Just for you? What about understanding your partner? What about. What about understanding your business? What about. You know, it's like, I want people, because what I do and why I do it is all grounded in empowering the sovereignty of each and every individual. And I truly believe that starts with understanding the fricking coding.
[01:18:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:18:57] Speaker C: So if we each walk around with access to that coding, no one can control us on any level. Truth.
[01:19:03] Speaker B: Truth. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
What question do you wish people would ask themselves after hearing this conversation?
[01:19:13] Speaker C: How much of your life would you say, truthfully has been the design of your unfiltered, highest truth?
[01:19:27] Speaker B: That's huge.
[01:19:31] Speaker C: Like, you didn't do it because someone said so. You didn't do it because of an expectation. You didn't do it because it was just there. You didn't do it. No, no, no. How much of your life, how much of the decisions, the choices you've made in life came from 100% your unfiltered, authentic truth.
[01:19:53] Speaker B: Exactly.
Amazing episode, Georgina. Thank you so much.
I'm blown away. I'm going to have to have a reading with you. This is crazy.
It is so, like, there is so much information in this.
I'm sure that everyone that listens to this is going to come away and go, oh, wow. So all I have to do is thank you so much. That was totally amazing. Think.
[01:20:16] Speaker C: Oh, my goodness. Thank you so much, cj. I'm so, so, so grateful for this opportunity.
Who I am, what I do, and what I'm passionate about. I'm so excited for it. And to bring this out to the world and whoever will listen, thank you for listening. I'm very grateful.
So, yes, thank you. Thank you, cj. And thank you to your beautiful wife for making this connection.
[01:20:41] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. Now, how can people find you in your work? Yeah.
[01:20:45] Speaker C: So I have a website, I have an Instagram, and I have a YouTube, I'm Georgina Grace. And so on Instagram, I'm georginagrace underscore.
My website is georginagrace.net and my YouTube is Georgina Grace888 or something like that.
[01:21:08] Speaker B: Yep.
[01:21:10] Speaker C: Thank you.
[01:21:13] Speaker B: I'll provide those links down in the show notes for this episode. And I thank you so much for coming on. It's been great. I've really appreciated the time that you've shared all the wisdom that you've shared about numbers and sovereignty and exposing yourself through your, you know, recognition of your past life intensity and how that's actually changed you in such a positive way in. In helping you inform yourself of who you really are.
[01:21:38] Speaker C: Thank you so much, cj.
[01:21:42] Speaker B: That was such a great episode with Georgina.
She goes into such depth around numerology and how it can work for you to process parts of the self that may have become blocked from trauma or early life experiences that just weren't properly resolved.
I found that interview to be extremely interesting and I know that I'm going to definitely have a reading with her because there's so much more information I think I can learn there. And I get that she has a different way of doing things, which makes a lot of sense and really, really interesting. So if you've enjoyed today's show, connect with Georgina on our website. As mentioned, it will be in the show notes down below. And if you've enjoyed today's episode, then please, you know, do the like and subscribe thing. That'd be appreciated. And if you're on a podcast app, remember to give me five stars and share this one to a friend that you think may enjoy it as well. And if you've enjoyed that episode, you probably enjoy these. Subscribe.
