Dominic Interview Trickster Spirit Contact, Apportation And Possession S1e4

Speaker 2 00:00:13 Welcome to Super Normalizing. I'm your host, cj. Today's discussion is with Dominic, who's had some unusual experiences with a trick trickster spirit during a BDSM scene. He also had an experience of possession, which was driving him towards a, a very ugly event, which potentially could have led to suicide. Thankfully that didn't happen. And, uh, there's also some salty talk and discussion of the use of psychedelics, um, and peak experiences and Ouija boards. If any of that stuff is something that is not your taste, it is advisable that you switch off now and come back during when we have another episode. Otherwise, if you're intrigued, please listen. Today we have on the show, Dominic, who's had various experiences of, uh, entities harassing him over time. Uh, a full on experience of when he was in a work situation where a treasured work device he was using at the time deported out of the room, out of his hand and out of complete sight, to his surprise. And we're also talking about his experience with the We Ward. So today I'd like to introduce you, Dominic. Hello, Dominic. Speaker 3 00:01:36 Hey. How's it going? Yeah. Speaker 2 00:01:37 Good, good. So you've had various experiences over time. Um, now the first one that you wanted to talk about was the, um, your experiences using the Ouija board and how that played out in your life. How old were you at the time when all this started? Speaker 3 00:01:54 We, my three friends and I were in our late twenties. Speaker 2 00:01:58 Late twenties. Okay. Speaker 3 00:01:59 Yeah. I bought, um, not a traditional Ouija board. It was something called the Psychic Circle. Speaker 2 00:02:07 Okay. Speaker 3 00:02:08 Uh, so it's, you know, a commercial board, um, with a disc instead of that traditional teardrop, uh, kind of device. Yes. And it has had a, came with a lot of instructions and you know, how to protect yourself and was a whole, it was quite detailed in that way. Right. And we started using it at a friend's house. We started to get really amazing results. Speaker 2 00:02:36 Well, to quite amazing what happened, what happened? Speaker 3 00:02:38 Well, before we started using the disc, cause it was a, a round plastic clear disc. Yeah. Uh, we tested it in the sense we put, there was four people, you know, in just four directions, just very lightly touching the disc. Yeah. And we tried, before we started doing it properly, we tried to move it to see if, if it could actually move. And it was very hard to move it backwards so everyone could push it forward in their direction of what forward is. Yeah. But no one could get it to move backwards. So I thought, okay, well that's a pretty good test to see if anyone's actually, you know, um, trying to cheat this and whatever. Right. Would they be able to move it in every direction? And, and we couldn't cause you, we were so lightly touching to make it come back, you have to essentially grip the disc. You couldn't just pull it back. Cause as, again, we really want to emphasize this, we're very lightly touching it. Speaker 2 00:03:41 Right. And then when, so when you, when you tried to pull it back, it was, it was actually created more friction. So it was just nearly impossible Speaker 3 00:03:46 To pull back. You just couldn't, like, you'd have to dig, you'd have to lift your finger up and try and dig your nail in to catch something to get it to, to come backwards. Speaker 2 00:03:55 That's strange. Speaker 3 00:03:56 And then when, when it actually started to work, apart from feeling like there was something inside the disc, it was such a fluid motion. It was, there's no way we could, we could fake this in every direction. It was moving lightning speed. Speaker 2 00:04:13 It was, how did that make you feel? How did that make you feel? Uh, Speaker 3 00:04:15 It was very, it was very shocking and intense. Speaker 2 00:04:20 Did any of you expect that at all? I mean, was that what you're looking for? No, Speaker 3 00:04:24 This is, this is the first time any one of us ever tried to, to, to use something like Speaker 2 00:04:29 This. Did anyone before this had any, have any experiences of the, of, you know, supernatural paranormal? Speaker 3 00:04:35 Uh, well, there was a time, I would say out of the, out of the group, there was probably only me, um, when I was much younger, when I was about like 14 or 15, a couple of friends came over my house when my parents were away. Okay. And we tried to do a board, but we tried to use the Ouija board, but not with a, a properly, uh, manufactured and laid out unit. We just had, you know, um, letters and numbers on the table and we used the glass. Yeah. And we could never, we tried four times over four different nights and we could never get it to work. But what happened was every time we would start using it, the phone would ring the home phone. And this was at a time before mobiles existed so that we, no one was actually able in the room able to, to do it as a prank or whatever. And the strangest thing was, during those four nights, the phone would ring every 10, 15 minutes and you'd pick it up and there's no sound, no doll tone, nothing. And that would happen. Wow. Every 15, 20 minutes all the way through to sunrise. Okay. So we stopped. We put the, we put all the pieces away, but it would keep going. It got so bad that my parents changed the home phone number thinking that it was a friend or someone doing prank calls to the house. Speaker 2 00:05:59 Right. And what did you think it was? Speaker 3 00:06:02 I have no idea. <laugh>, that one, I have no idea. So that one, it, we had some success in getting some paranormal weird things happening. Um, but the real success is once we had the board and we're at a different house and we went through the process, we followed the instructions to the letter, you know, with protection, kind of what you call them spells or, um, what would be, what would be the right word for it? Um, protection. Speaker 2 00:06:31 Yeah. Protection method. Speaker 3 00:06:33 Yeah. We were following it to the, you know, to the letter. Cause we didn't want to get it wrong. Yeah. And we thought, we thought whoever wrote the book and the instructions actually knows what they're doing. Um, and then we were getting the amazing results as in getting clear answers. Um, the movement of it was really intense. And once, and, and I don't know if this was, um, psychosomatic, but it felt like there was something in the disc. There felt like there was a power, there was like a tiny vibration to it. And the, the stunning bit was that it was moving in all directions fluently. And there was four people who, who, you know, were long, were lifelong friends from school, who were all committed to not doing, you know, not trying to prank it or anything. Yeah. And, um, yeah. And then, and then the last, our last experience with it, the disk was kind of not moving so well. Speaker 3 00:07:29 And my intuition, my intuition, I was, I was generally the one asking the questions. And my intuition said to me, ask if there's a problem. Right. And I said, is there a problem? And it goes straight to yes with no jittery movement. And then I said, and then intuition led to, um, is there a problem with someone in the circle? And it went straight to yes. Again, and I go spell out the name and it spelled out a four letter name of the guy sitting next to me on the right. And he just went white and nearly fainted. Speaker 2 00:08:05 Right. Speaker 3 00:08:05 That was the last time we ever used it. Speaker 2 00:08:07 <laugh>. That was too close, too much of a close call, you Speaker 3 00:08:10 Know? Yeah. We were just thinking, okay, we're starting to mess with stuff we don't really understand. Speaker 2 00:08:15 Did the, did did the phone ring at all at the other party? Speaker 3 00:08:18 No, this was, this was about 10 years later. There was about 10 years between the two. Okay. Um, this is when mobiles did exist. No phones were ringing, nothing like that. Okay. So that happened in my parent, the original, the first experience where it didn't really work was in my parents' house. Um, right. And the time that it did was in my mate's garage. So two different locations. Speaker 2 00:08:42 Okay. Speaker 3 00:08:43 Um, yeah. It was, it was, it was really intense. Um, it was, it was scary and exciting all at the same time. Speaker 2 00:08:51 Right. So these, these are your early experiences with, um, out there sort of experiences. Um, now you've had other experiences that you wanted to talk about as well, and, and one of them was to do with the application of an object that you use in your work. What, what happened there? Speaker 3 00:09:11 Yeah, so I'll give a bit of background. Um, I used to work as a, uh, professional, BDSM dominant in a BDSM house in a major city in Australia. And I didn't know at the time when I started to work there, but I get, I got told of this when the apple, how do you say? Application? Speaker 2 00:09:37 Application, Speaker 3 00:09:38 Yeah. When the application happened that the building that we were in was one of the first jails ever in Australia's history. Wow. Right. So it's, it had a lot of, obviously quite negative and <laugh> probably really intense experiences in their very likely countless people died in that place. Speaker 2 00:10:00 So how did this experience roll out? I mean, what, what was going on at the time? Without too much detail, but enough Speaker 3 00:10:06 I can, I can, I can go into a little bit of detail. <laugh>, um, obviously can't mention any names, but Yeah. So picture, so I'll try and paint the picture for your listeners. Yeah. I'm in a rectangle room. So everyone picture a rectangle in front of you. Yeah. On the left hand side of your, of the rectangle is a boarded up fireplace. Speaker 2 00:10:31 Right. Speaker 3 00:10:33 Uh, then, then I have to lay out the equipment in the room. So right next to, um, the boarded up fireplace, let's say at the top left of the rectangle is a massage table. It's very basic bench, just like a massage table. And the only other pieces of equipment and furniture in the whole room was one semi throne looking chair and a little, um, what you call it, like a hairdresser's, little trolley. You know how when the hairdressers have their trolleys and they've got all the bits and pieces next to Speaker 2 00:11:13 Them. Oh yeah. Like a work trolley. Speaker 3 00:11:15 Yeah. So it's not, it's nothing major. So there's only three pieces of mobile furniture is in this room. There is nothing else. No windows, except there was one other thing, which was just like an air conditioning unit up in, up near the top of the roof. Right. Um, so there's nothing in the room except that, um, the ground is padded rubber. So, um, because of the nature of the work that we do there, um, sometimes the clients are on the floor. And so instead of having carpet on there, which is hard to clean, we just have padded rubber. Right. And it's one continuous piece of rubber which fit the whole, um, dimensions of the room. Almost like a g So, so I've got, I've got the client bent over on the massage table bench. I'm standing behind her to my left, literally 90 degrees to my left is the boarded up fireplace. Speaker 3 00:12:23 Right. And I was using a fogger in my right hand. So my right hand is away, is not, it's not the closest arm or hand to the, um, ordered up fireplace. So I was using the fluger on her, but my hands were a little bit slippery cuz of like lubricant and stuff. And I was swinging the fluger. That's what we do. Yeah. And the fluger came outta my hand, which is not unusual. That has happened more than once. That during a, you know, hot and heavy session that the fogger leaves. But the fogger leaves in the op. Now, this is the important bit to remember. It is literally the opposite direction of the fireplace. And it hits the floor. I hear it, I hear it hitting the rubber. So it's this faint little thud. I go to pick up the flo up. I can't find it. Speaker 3 00:13:22 I spend a couple of minutes cause I can't, you know, um, I can't really break the flow of the session too much. So I spend a couple of minutes looking like literally only one to two minutes. And I go, okay, don't worry about it. I'll find it later and I'll keep going. Cause I had to keep my focus on the client. Yeah. I get another blogger. The session keep going on with the session, the session ends. I've got my eyes on the client the entire time the session ends. I call up the secretary. The secretary walks her out, takes her to the shower, the client leaves. Then of course I start to clean up. So part of my duties is to obviously clean up all of my equipment and wipe down the room with via clean just anywhere that the client has touched. I have to prepare it for the next, um, Dori or Prodo who's got a session in their next. Speaker 3 00:14:16 Right. And I start looking for this fogger, and it's nowhere to be seen. I spend easily 30 minutes looking for this thing, but there's nowhere it can be. I look under the chair, I look in the dolly, the trolley, not the dolly. I look everywhere that it could conceivably be. And it's not there. So I don't, I didn't think at the time anything of like, okay, I'm an idiot. I, it must be somewhere thankfully obvious or whatever. And I'm just leaving cause I have to go. Right. Um, I then ring the boss. I had a boss at the time. Yeah. And I tell her, you know, this is what's gone on. If anyone sees it, let me know. And she goes, oh, it's very likely the ghost has taken it. I go, what do you mean? She goes, you're not the first person who's reported something missing that shouldn't be missing or easily be able to find. Speaker 3 00:15:16 And I go, tell me more. And then she tells me that there was a, there's a mischievous ghost in the place that it was originally a, um, one of Australia's oldest prisons. And that, you know, next time you're in, we'll we'll look together. So I come back, I think it was only a few days later, and her and I looked for easily an hour, another hour. The room's not, it's maybe one and a half times the size of an average bedroom. It's nothing. It's not massive. It's, and there's no ledgers. There's no, again, there's only very little furniture. It's not complicated. The room Speaker 2 00:16:01 Spots mostly featureless. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So there's no where, there's no where it could have fallen and, Speaker 3 00:16:07 And not that I could see, I even looked above the, the, um, air conditioner just in case it bounced two meters in the air and landed on top of the air conditioner. Speaker 2 00:16:19 What about, okay, so what about the fireplace? You say it's boarded up. Is it like completely enclosed? Speaker 3 00:16:25 We'll get to that right at the end. Yeah. So the next important bit is she goes, look, you need to make friends with her. Have a chat and ask it to return the fogger for you. And I went, are you kidding? She goes, no, do it. So she leaves the room and I sit there and I voice out, Hey, you're more than welcome to, you know, watch <laugh>. I don't know if you wink in the spirit world. Do that if you want. I really want that fogger back. It's has great sentimental value as well as it's an important work tool, but it's one of the first flos I've ever owned. I really, really want it back. I felt quite strange doing that. Speaker 2 00:17:10 Right. And now did you feel strange because you have more of a scientific mindset or, yeah, just, Speaker 3 00:17:17 Just because I've, I've never had a, except for that Ouija board experience, I've never had any direct experiences with anything paranormal outside of that. So, you know, I kind of still have my doubts about the Ouija board. I just dunno what to think. So I do consider myself quite scientifically minded. Yeah. Um, I'm never really bought into religion or anything like that. And I, I like what I can see in front of me. Yeah. It doesn't mean don't have an open mind. I'm just, you know, I, I just oscillate between the two if more of a scientific bend mm-hmm. <affirmative> and then I leave. And I didn't, I didn't get any work for about another four to six weeks. Right. But I, I did set, you know, I was quite genuine. I I I, I didn't do it with a doubting mind of went. Right. Well, I do trust my boss. Speaker 3 00:18:13 You know, she's had she's had quite a lot of paranormal experiences before. Yeah. She's had, she's claimed that it's happened before. Things have gone missing and then shown up in really strange places that weren't meant to be there. Like, they weren't originally, you know, I've heard she told me a story about certain objects appearing in other rooms, not just in the same room where they're originally from. Yeah. So I trusted her and I just went with her four. I say the, you know, I, I speak to the ghost. Yeah. And four to six weeks later I come back and I got another job and no word of a lie. I walk the second, I put my foot in front, uh, sorry. The second I put my foot down, walking through the front door, I get a complete and total vision projected into my head. I don't, that's not normally me. Speaker 3 00:19:11 You've known me for 20 years. That's, I don't walk around going, I, I had a vision of this or whatever. I don't do that. You're not prone to that? Pardon? You're not prone to that? No. No. Um, and I have a vision that the fogger is inside the wall cavity next to the boarded up fireplace. I go straight up into the room. I don't say hello to anyone. I notice the room's empty. I go straight in, bend down at the, what I thought was a boarded up, um, fireplace. And in the top right hand corner that's about three feet in the air is a hole big enough just to fit your hand through. I put my hand in, go into the wall cavity and it's at the bottom of the wall cavity on the floor about a foot, no, sorry, not foot. So about 10 centimeters to the right of the boarded up fireplace. So I had to reach in and go down and I'm just like, what the hell is going on? There's no way that this thing bounced onto the ground, hit the wall, bounced behind me up to feet in the air into a wall, like into this hole that was perfect size for it then to go down behind a wall cavity. So that just, that would be, that completely flipped me out. Speaker 2 00:20:52 Yeah. Well that, to me, that would be proof. I mean, it's impossible. It's physically impossible. Speaker 3 00:20:57 It's hard to describe to your listeners because we don't have any, um, you know, photos of it. Um, but maybe I can actually find you a photo <laugh> and, and, and draw the little diagrams. Speaker 2 00:21:10 I'll just jump in there and say, we actually did get a photo and if you wish to see it, to get more of an understanding of the description of the space, go to the super normalized with the Z super normalized with the z.com. And you'll see on the episode for this one, number four, the photo of the actual room. Now back to the show, you've got this image here of the room that the application had, um, um, appeared in. Now looking at that image, um, can you tell me more? Speaker 3 00:21:47 So where the x, the green X is? Yeah, that's the hole where you reach up. So the whole, like, it's all boarded, so you have to reach underneath the lip to access the hole. Wow. Um, and then where the blue X is, is where the flagger actually was inside the wall cavity down at the bottom. Speaker 2 00:22:14 Okay. All right. Speaker 3 00:22:16 So, and I was standing, uh, facing the right hand side of the picture. Speaker 2 00:22:22 Okay. Speaker 3 00:22:23 And you can see the, the bench thing, um, where the person was bent over. Speaker 2 00:22:29 Okay. Speaker 3 00:22:30 So, yeah. Speaker 2 00:22:31 Oh, right. Okay. So you are, you're working that way and so you're lifting your right arm up and, and it's sort of, if, if anything, it's gotta go towards the wall over there near the chair, if anything like it opposite direction altogether. Speaker 3 00:22:47 It flew the a hundred percent opposite direction. Wow. So that's what I mean when I said it has to go up like two feet into, or at least one to two feet in the air has to bounce up and go underneath the lip inside the hole, which you can't see Speaker 2 00:23:05 Inside the hole. Yeah. And then up and under into a wall cavity and then down. Speaker 3 00:23:11 So that whole thing is boarded off except for a tiny hole that you can fit your hand through underneath the lip of the rim of the, um, fireplace. Speaker 2 00:23:22 God. So it's, so it's obviously physically impossible. Speaker 3 00:23:27 I don't see how Speaker 2 00:23:28 Normal physics, Speaker 3 00:23:29 I don't see how any way it could have happened specifically because it went the opposite direction. Now, if it flew in the direction of the fireplace and I was using my left hand, then I'd say, okay, maybe. But, uh, no. Speaker 2 00:23:46 Okay. Wow. That's intense. Speaker 3 00:23:49 Yeah. But the fluger flew in the opposite direction. And, and if anyone knows what a fluger is, it's like a small mini whip. It's not round. It's, you know, piece of wood with leather tails on it. It's, even if you throw this thing on any floor, it doesn't bounce. Yeah. Like at the most, it Speaker 2 00:24:08 Just absorbs the energy and hits Speaker 3 00:24:09 The ground. Yeah. Mostly it will bounce is like maybe two centimeters high, not like two feet. And it went, it would've had to gone around me, behind me. And, uh, it didn't, it was just no way. Speaker 2 00:24:22 So when it, when it happened, you actually had your hand raised up in the air behind you? Speaker 3 00:24:27 No, it was, so I was, I I strike like I was playing 10. Like you're playing tennis. Yeah. So pretend you're doing like a forehand hit a stroke. Yes. So I was halfway through the stroke and the fogger went 90 degrees to the right. Wow. Like in, cause Speaker 2 00:24:45 It, did you feel it slip out of your fingers? Like it's Speaker 3 00:24:47 Yeah, a hundred percent. Speaker 2 00:24:49 Ah, Speaker 3 00:24:49 Right. So I was using it at the time and I even, I could hear that it, it landed to my right with the, where it eventually showed up is completely the opposite direction on the left. Speaker 2 00:25:03 Wow. Speaker 3 00:25:04 Um, so that was, yeah. After that I just thought, oh Jesus Christ. What's, what's, Speaker 2 00:25:09 What's Speaker 3 00:25:10 The nature of reality? Speaker 2 00:25:11 <laugh>? Well, yeah, it does make you question things because it pretty much upends all, uh, scientific definitions really. Speaker 3 00:25:19 And then, then after that, I spoke to the secretary and Shears had multiple instances of when she's, the only person in this place is three stories, where she was the only person in, uh, the building closing up for the night. And she hears footsteps where there's no one around. She saw, um, like an apparition go past her and it was like a puff puff torso from the waist stop. Uh, there's been multiple instances of people being shoved down the stairs. This is what I find out later, after, from multiple different dominat who were working there. Speaker 2 00:25:57 Right. You've never experienced anything more than the Speaker 3 00:26:00 No, that was the only thing. That was the only thing that I experienced. Speaker 2 00:26:02 And have you been back there since? Or Speaker 3 00:26:04 Yeah. Yeah. I, I kept working there for years after. Speaker 2 00:26:07 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:26:08 Right. I was, no, I wasn't really afraid. It was, it was trippy. Yeah. It was a little bit scary, but I wasn't afraid. Speaker 2 00:26:16 Did you have ever have any more impressions of that spirit being around? Speaker 3 00:26:21 Not at all, no. Speaker 2 00:26:22 And no, no more, um, uh, like visions or anything? Speaker 3 00:26:26 No. I, I don't know if I'm gonna say something, which I don't, this is something I can't really put my finger on. It always felt like you are never alone in the room. But I dunno if that was just a, something inside my head or if that was actually from something Speaker 2 00:26:42 External. Was that, was that a feeling of being watched or Speaker 3 00:26:45 Someone just, you just weren't alone? Right. I, yeah, I just never felt alone in the room. But once I understood the history of the building, it made a lot of things made sense. Speaker 2 00:26:58 Yeah. Right, right. Cause I've spoken to other people about that feeling, uh, when, when spirits are around and, um, it feels like something is taking space. Like you just know it's there, you know, you just know it's there. Like even when you go bush walking or something, you feel like you're being watched that sort of feeling to No, Speaker 3 00:27:20 I've never really had that feeling before. I only really had it in that building. Yeah. Um, even when we were doing the, the Ouija board, I never really had that feeling. It was just in that main red room, it was called the Red room. Right. Um, cuz it's, you know, it's walls were all painted red. Speaker 2 00:27:39 Oh, okay. Speaker 3 00:27:39 Just in that room. I felt it. Okay. Uh, I, I've, the bottom floor was actually kind of like the basement dungeon space. I never really liked the vibe of that room. I couldn't put my finger on why I'm guessing that a lot of really horrendous things happened there hundreds of years ago. Speaker 2 00:28:00 Yeah. Right. Well of course it's a ex jail. Speaker 3 00:28:04 Yeah. It was one of, one of Australia's first. So Speaker 2 00:28:07 You've also had other experiences where you've been harassed by entities. Um, and uh Oh yes. They didn't go so well. So how did this harassment start? When, when did this happen? Um, was what was going on in life at the time? Speaker 3 00:28:22 It was 2015. I had a car accident that put me into pretty severe complex ptsd. Yes. Um, and about a, a year after that, well that one was weird in itself in the sense that it's the only time I've ever heard a voice in my head. And it said, you're about to have a car accident. And then 10 minutes later I have a car accident and, uh, the guy ran a red light and I t-boned him. And instead of going into shock straight away, I actually went into anger. So instead of like, cuz when I was, you know, in those microseconds before you, you know, between the time where you've hit the brakes and you hit the car, yeah. There is a period of time a lot of people say, oh, you know, time slows down. It kind of did, but not so much. But instead of shock, I went into anger. Cause I was kind of just upset a little bit at myself. Like, why didn't I pull over? Cause I had this, it was beyond a sense of knowing I had a voice. Say, you're about to have a car accident. I don't hear voices not schizophrenic. Speaker 2 00:29:37 Right. So the voice was, wait, just, just wanna question you about the voice. Was the voice, um, gendered? Was it loud, quiet? Speaker 3 00:29:45 No, it was, uh, it was very, I would say if it had anything added more of a masculine time. Um, but it wasn't, it wasn't a whisper. It's like I could hear a, a sentence being said inside my head. It's the only way I can explain it. Speaker 2 00:30:04 I, I completely understand. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:30:06 This happens, I go into complex. So I did go into shock about four or five hours later. Right. And that really messed up my life. Um, Speaker 2 00:30:16 Okay. Speaker 3 00:30:18 About a year after that, I woke up into chronic fatigue. But a about three months after the accident, I flew to see a tan Tibetan budd lama, who I've done some quite intense work with, and he's taught me sound healing and a whole bunch of other things. Yeah. And he's done healings on me before and they were really profound and they got me out of a lot of deep stuff. So in my quest to understand what the hell was going on and how do I fix what I'm going through, I went to see him. And at the time I was a pretty, uh, regular dope smoker. I wasn't like waking and baking and smoking weed when I wake up. But, you know, after like three or 4:00 PM I'd have a joint in the day. Right. So this, this is, this is important for the later part of the story. Speaker 2 00:31:21 Okay. Speaker 3 00:31:22 So I go down and see him. He does a clearing, nothing really. I didn't really get any profound shifts like I have in the past with other issues. Right. Anyways, I fly back, I fly back home and I hadn't smoked weed for many days at this point. And weed is very habitual in the sense of, it's a lot to do with your environment. So I didn't really have a desire to smoke. I just, because I did smoke when I get home because I always have. And the second I smoke the joint and, you know, I'm, I'm not, I'm not new to, I wasn't new to smoking weed and I know dosages and I've never really had any majorly bad or extremely psychedelic experience of smoking weed. I smoke a joint, no, nothing. Not, not a high amount, just a little bit. I'd say half an hour to 40 minutes later. Speaker 3 00:32:30 I can't even put words to describe how bad I start feeling. Like, I think something is really, really really wrong. And it's not an overdose, it's not a green out. Just some, I couldn't put my finger on it. The closest thing I could describe it to, it felt like I was having a conline awakening, but a bad, like a negative one. So if you know anything about conline awakenings, for some people when they have it, they can go into what's called kini syndrome. So when, when they're not ready for it, if, if the kini pops for them, they can have quite detrimental and lifelong issues after that, that is akin to schizophrenia. Speaker 3 00:33:17 So I, I start going into this bad, bad mode and I ring up the lama, I catch him on the mobile before I, like, I could, I was barely able to speak at this point. And I ring him up and I go, am I having a conlin awakening? Did you, cause I know he has. I know he has the abilities and, and within the tension to bit and border system, they dabble with kini and stuff. Right. So I ask him directly, did you do this? Like, did you plant a seed of it or like, what's happening to me? He says nothing and just sits there. It's like he was scanning the, the metaphysical highways of what's going on. Yeah. And he just says, you're being attacked by an entity and hangs up the phone. Speaker 2 00:34:09 What? That's not fault. Speaker 3 00:34:11 Yeah. No Speaker 2 00:34:13 <laugh>. How did you feel then? Abandoned What? Speaker 3 00:34:17 A little bit concerned. Speaker 2 00:34:19 Yeah. Well, understandably, Speaker 3 00:34:21 He was a thousand Ks away. What can you do? Speaker 2 00:34:24 Come on. They can do remote healing. Do deliverance from that, that, that distance as well. I mean seriously, that's, that's a weird thing to do. Speaker 3 00:34:32 For, for whatever reason, nothing went down. And he hung up. Maybe Speaker 2 00:34:36 He got scared. Maybe it was something he looked at me, well, fuck, that's too much for me. Speaker 3 00:34:40 I'm out. I have no idea. And I'd say about another 10 or I didn't have much time. So I was starting to Google Kini syndrome and words, words don't really put into play what I was feeling. Yeah. And then I felt like I'm about to lose all sense of reality. And then it starts, my hands move without me putting any conscious thought into it. I start walking around the house without any conscious thought. I can see myself doing things and I cannot control them. And then I, then whatever. I dunno if it's my brain, I dunno if it's the drugs. I don't think it was, I dunno. I've got a massive question mark on this whole thing. Speaker 2 00:35:28 You know, that's driving, that's called possession. Speaker 3 00:35:32 It's driving me to find a gun and put it to my head. Speaker 2 00:35:36 Yeah. It's Speaker 3 00:35:37 Possession. I don't own a gun. Yeah. But it's driving me to find one. Speaker 2 00:35:41 Yep. Wants to take you Speaker 3 00:35:42 Out. So the most I could do, I'm just like, what the fuck is going on? And just before all of this started, I found a webpage of a person who went through Conney Syndrome. Who used Valium to control it. Speaker 2 00:36:00 Yes. Speaker 3 00:36:01 So, yeah, normally if you give me 1 1 5 milligram Valium, I'll be asleep. I've popped 40 milligrams and I'm still not sitting down. Yeah. I'm still like moving. And then the, I kept going until I was able to knock myself out. I eventually, somehow, like I, I had to have like, I was trying to use one arm to control the other. I'm using everything that I can to try and sit still while popping Valiums nonstop. Then eventually I pass out and then I call a mate over and for the next 24 hours, again, I don't understand any of this. I felt like I needed to be in hot water. So I was basically in the bathtub for 24 hours while my mate was doing trips to the kettle and back. Cuz we'd emptied the tank in 10 minutes and he was just nonstop pouring hot water. It does not matter how hot it was. I was cold as it gets. So Speaker 2 00:37:12 Yeah, I can understand it. Cause like what you just described was, is a basic is is a, is a, is a possession. It's literally possession. Now I have experienced exactly that same thing that you went through and I didn't even know you went through this. So it's quite surprising to hear it. And it's really good to hear it because it makes me go, oh yeah, that's what happened to me. Speaker 3 00:37:35 I don't, I don't, I never usually told that was quite stressful. So I don't Speaker 2 00:37:39 Really, oh God, I know you worry much. It's awful. It's totally awful. And I had a similar thing happen to me, um, back in 2000 ish. And mine, mine was because of all of the, um, work I was doing with entities that, it's a big story, but let's just say it was detrimental to, um, my own my own experience of the world. And it, it left me open and I was um, so open that, um, I got attacked by a couple of entities and their whole point was to try and make it, make me want to offer myself. It was awful. And when they tuned into me, like cuz they were, they were writing me like, I call 'em hitchhikers now. Um, but they were writing me. And um, and they would do it to different degrees and there was two of them. And, um, they extremely powerful. Speaker 2 00:38:40 So they could actually make things like happen in reality around me in accordance to, um, my personal view of reality at the time. So if I, if I kept things really clear and, and what I would say, um, positive, then clear and positive things would happen and things would be smooth and, and things would be beautiful. But as soon as I had one negative thought, it was like being dragged into abject terror. And, and, um, having, um, my, myself fragmented, I felt like I was being fragmented and I was like, oh, this is awful. And I just feel such extreme terror that I couldn't explain it. And anytime that that was on, then that was happening. People around me were fighting. There was violence, car accidents, all sorts of garbage. That was really, really intense. And I had to isolate myself away from society at that stage. Speaker 2 00:39:39 And I happened to move up into the hills of, um, Mulla Bibi up into main arm at the time. And, um, I didn't know what to do with myself. I, I happened to, um, move into a house with a, with a dude that I'd known through other people. And, um, he was a, um, a witch, you would say wizard sorter of sorts as well. But he knew about certain things, but I wasn't telling him about what was going on for me because it was just way intense. Uh, but living in that house, he was told me about, um, um, a bookshop in Byron Bay that I should go and see. And at that stage I didn't know it even existed and went there and I found a book that actually helped me to start getting through this experience, uh, really weirdly at the time, um, this other being turned up. Like, I cause these, these, these things that were just making my life buzz. That's the only way I could explain it. It's like when they were on, it was like being inside a resonant thing that was continuous and, and awful and terrifying. Um, and so I was always looking for a way out of that at the same time because it was driving me to suicide just to put a blame me. And, and to me that was just awful. Like totally awful. Um, I'd never been Speaker 3 00:41:09 Suicidal until that, I never, I never had any inclination of suicide in my whole life. Speaker 2 00:41:14 I didn't know I could be possessed <laugh>. So I didn't believe it was possible. Right. And so when it happened to me, I was like, okay, this is what possibly possession could be, you know? And, and these entities were having a, a riot trying to knock, knock me off. Um, Speaker 3 00:41:32 Well for, for me it only lasted that one instance. I don't know if the Lama did anything after the phone call to help. Right. Um, I wouldn't be surprised if he did. Um, well it, it makes, I'd heard so many times through so many different, you know, spiritual people, spiritual writing, just general spiritual thought that smoking weed opens you up to having entities come on in. Speaker 2 00:42:01 It does open you to hitchhikers for sure. Speaker 3 00:42:03 Well, it's felt like, you know, one plus one equal two as in the clearing, the healing that I got then coming home and stupidly smoking the weed allowed something to come in. Speaker 2 00:42:16 So you think he might have been already open at the time and then ah, well adding that on top just was like, oh, here's, here's a seat. Come in, have Speaker 3 00:42:24 A seat. The healing, the healing that I experienced from him the first time was beyond profound. Right. So that's why I went to see him. I just didn't know that this was gonna happen afterwards. So the first time I went to see him, I was in the absolute pits of despair. The love of my life had broken up with me. Right. And I turned to drinking something shocking. I'd never really been drunk a day of my life before. Oh. And then I went from zero to drinking two liters of wine a day for four months. Yeah. And then I found Islam by accident where I was at a particular time. Okay. And I found out that he does healings and I'd never had a healing before. Um, I just sat down with no real expectation, but obviously hope that it can help. And I went from drinking two liters of wine a day to never drinking again, instantaneously without even telling him what the problem was. That's so, yeah. So I went, I know, I knew he was quite powerful in what he's, what he's done. He's studied, I know his history. Now inside out he's studied, um, tan to bitten healing for over 30 years. Yeah. Um, so whatever he did cleans you up on some very profound levels. Yeah. I just didn't know that messing with it with weed at that time would just literally open me up to an attack. Speaker 2 00:43:52 Right, right. Well, I I didn't believe he could be attacked and, and uh, Speaker 3 00:43:57 I had no, I had no idea what the hell it was. I knew at the time, cuz I knew you had been dabbling with this stuff, you'd never really told me at the time any detail about it. Yeah. Um, and again, I only heard, you know, just general thought from spiritual type people Yeah. That you were able to be attacked by entities. I didn't give it any clout, but after that I just was like, oh god damn. And I stopped smoking weed on the spot. Speaker 2 00:44:23 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:44:24 That was too much. Speaker 2 00:44:25 Yeah. Oh yeah. That's, imagine that we're living in a spiritual world and it's, we're actually surrounded by spirits. Everything is made of spirits continuously and not all of them actually have a Speaker 3 00:44:38 Good intentions. Speaker 2 00:44:39 Yeah. Good intentions. Yeah. <laugh>. And so when, when you put yourself in a position where you align with their sort of residents vibration or whatever you wanna call it, that gives them a chance to jump on and have a ride. And of course they wanna ride in the 3D because, you know, the 3D is probably the most experiential version of reality, but other, other dimensions of reality, no, they're all experi experiential but not as detailed as this. So any chance they get, they jump on, have a ride and, and use the body. Um, and they're always out to attack. Um, well, and I wouldn't say all of them either, but you know, the ones that have nefarious ideas are always out looking for a weakness. Um, and this is my belief from my experience of seeing this stuff happen to myself and other people. Um, but um, it doesn't, you know, it doesn't mean you should be scared of the world or anything like that. It's just a matter of just being aware because it is literally, you know, even as the Christians say, um, like a spiritual war, it's always going on. It's always happening. And they're always looking around for ways in Speaker 3 00:45:44 Funny, you mentioned funny you mentioned the Christians. Cause after this period of time as well as, you know, many years of ill health since then. Yeah. Been seriously considering doing some sort of, I wouldn't know. The only word I've got for it is experiencing an exorcism to see if there are any things on a deeper level inside of me still lingering around and sun uping energy. Speaker 2 00:46:10 Yeah. Well why not try it and then find out. Speaker 3 00:46:15 I just wouldn't, I wouldn't know who to turn to. Speaker 2 00:46:19 Well you just need to have deliverance and you could, I mean, you, you're Catholic or you're from the Speaker 3 00:46:25 Catholic. Yeah, I, I was, I was raised, um, Roman Catholic. Speaker 2 00:46:28 Right. So you can literally go to your parents' church and just ask for help. Speaker 3 00:46:35 Ah, that would be a trip. Speaker 2 00:46:38 Well, you know, they probably get excited <laugh>. Hey, they probably get excited. He's gonna our church. Speaker 3 00:46:45 Yeah, right. Hi dad, I need an exorcism. Speaker 2 00:46:50 No, just say you wanna talk to the, to the, to the Holy Father priest or whatever they call them. I dunno. But um, yeah, I would recommend it if, if you think it might work. Speaker 3 00:47:01 I'm not sure if I told you a friend of a friend is, um, employed by the Catholic church to do exorcisms on behalf of them all over the world. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:47:12 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:47:12 So once I met him I'd be like, Hmm, I didn't have a chance to do anything with him at the time. Right. Thought this is interesting. But what makes it even more interesting is that he's a doist practitioner. Like he's a Dallas master being employed by Catholics because they think that the demons and entities from the Catholic side of the supernatural don't know how to deal with the Doo framework. So that's why I employed him. Speaker 2 00:47:46 Use anything that works. That's, that's the, the bottom line of chaos. Magicians, <laugh>, if it works, just use it. So like they, you know, obviously they like Catholic magicians. They're like, well that stuff's not working. Get somebody else onto it. <laugh>, Speaker 3 00:47:58 I wish I could order an exorcism on Amazon Prime. It'd be here tomorrow. Speaker 2 00:48:03 <laugh>. Well there is a book that I've heard. Yeah. And it's called, um, um, it's only a demon. It's only a demonn. It's called, um, and I forgot the name of the, the person that wrote it, but he's a, um, like a 30 year exorcist in the United States. And he talks about and Speaker 3 00:48:22 He teaches you how to do it Speaker 2 00:48:24 Yourself In his book. In his book. Yep. Yeah. So it's, it's worn by the deliverance preachers in the US that work with people that have problems with possession. Speaker 3 00:48:36 Oh man. Before the duck stuff I've done in my life, I reckon they'll have, they'll be there for a couple of days. Speaker 2 00:48:41 Well, you know, it's, it has been said by other people that when you have some hitchhikers you actually get exhausted and feel tired. And that's quite normal. And the thing is, when when you have the hitchhiker on, they feel everything you are feeling. Right. So if you are, if you have pain, they jump off if like they don't like it. So that's why ECT works. So like electro shock therapy that shocks them out and gets them out and kicks 'em off. Right. And, and in the early 19 hundreds they used to practice hydrotherapy in mental hospitals because they found that it would actually relieve the patients of all of their, um, entities. Well they wouldn't say entities, but that's what it was. And they'd come back from being thrown into ice cold pools. Speaker 3 00:49:27 <laugh>, hold on. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:49:29 Yeah. So maybe after this go and take a really ice cold cell. Speaker 3 00:49:34 I've never really been a fan of that. Speaker 2 00:49:36 Yeah, we'll see. Neither have they <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:49:40 Well, I hope there's no more entity issues in the future. I hope none of my other objects go missing. Yeah. And we don't play the Ouija board anymore. Speaker 2 00:49:51 Yeah, that sounds like some wise moves. <laugh> <laugh>, Speaker 3 00:49:55 You've done enough of Speaker 2 00:49:57 That. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 3 00:49:59 Sure. That there was this time, there was this time at the dawning in 2000, no, it was the first summer dreaming. Speaker 2 00:50:06 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:50:08 Um, where the only time I ever felt like I met someone who I had a soul connection with straight away. Yeah. And we shared a tab of acid, like not nothing big dose. I had half and he had half. Speaker 2 00:50:24 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:50:26 And he was a spiral dancer. So he's the kind of guy that once he's a bit out there psychically, he, he starts dancing in an uncontrollable spiral. He can't control it. Like he literally can't Speaker 2 00:50:43 Control rolling durish. Speaker 3 00:50:45 Yeah. Yeah. And he kept, he kept like OIE wisdom space trap was playing. So the, the dance floor was in a complete rapture of psychedelic madness. Yeah. And he kept spinning and at multiple times he, like, he was spinning so in control where he punched someone in the head. Right. Cause he had no control. So multiple instances, this is the first time I've met him, um, multiple instances. Like I would go, I crash tackled him multiple times just to control him. Oh hell. And I said, dude, you gotta calm the fuck down. Multiple instances, I'm crash tackling him because he was punching people in the head without, he's completely pass first. He wasn't, you know, aggressive to anyone. He was just spiraling so uncontrollably that he had no idea where he was. That's strange. So I crashed. I crashed, shackle him twice and then he was kind of okay cuz I brought him to the side of the dance floor. No one was around. I go sit down because I'm physically exhausted from trash tackling this guy twice. Speaker 3 00:51:58 And then he starts again. He spirals into the middle of the dance floor. Yeah. And I go, oh, Jesus Christ. And then I go, let's try something. I feel like I'm connected to him. So I say his name inside my head. I know I'm on half a tab. Ofac, I get this. Yeah. I say his name inside my head and I go, pivot left. And he pivots left. I go now go down two meters. He goes down two meters, I go Right, pivot. Right. And I, I basically remote control him like, like I was remo like it was a, it was a remote control car. And I had the control Wow. Through 2000 people dance floor. And I get him to spiral off into the bushes Speaker 2 00:52:43 To the safe spot. Speaker 3 00:52:44 His girlfriend comes up to me from the other side of the dance floor and goes, I heard everything you said to him inside his head. Thank you for doing that. And goes off and collects him. Speaker 2 00:52:59 <laugh> what Speaker 3 00:53:00 For real? Speaker 2 00:53:02 <laugh>. Oh, side trads parties. Always weird. I love Speaker 3 00:53:07 That. Oh mate, I was just going, uh, okay. I thought that was all in my head. And this is just random occurrence that this uncontrollable maniac is listening exactly to what I'm telling him to do. Weaving him through 2000 people. And his girlfriend comes up and says, I heard all of that. Speaker 2 00:53:27 And this is in France as well. This is in front of like a 40 K sound system or Speaker 3 00:53:31 Something. Right? Yeah. No, I was, I was over 20 meters away from him. I wasn't, I wasn't speaking. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:53:37 Just making sure that's understood. Speaker 3 00:53:38 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's massive sound system. There's no way. No, even if I was yelling at him, he was not in any coherent space to understand the words being yelled at him. So that happened. But that, that man trans parties were like a weird vortex for psychedelic, paranormal experiences. Yeah. Multiple times. It was collective, you know, visions, uh, weird telepathy, all sorts of strange stuff. Speaker 2 00:54:09 You've had other experiences as well that you would call ecstatic. And these happened on the match and it was when you were DJing one time in Sydney Park. Can you talk about that? Speaker 3 00:54:22 Yeah. So I was DJing to tens of thousands of people. Um, I was two stories up. The DJ booth was quite high. And to lead up to this set, I put as much intent and effort as I could. So as well as I wanted, I experimented, um, with the natural high. So for the 48 hours prior to the DJ set, I didn't have any food, pardon me. Any water, no nicotine, no weed, nothing. Just slept. So I went into it quite dehydrated, but still quite elevated. I felt pretty clean. The idea was to, um, see what state I could reach while DJing Cy TRAs, which was, you know, the music's been designed to give people an existential experience. It's not just like house music or, um, any generic form of dance music. Um, so I'm DJing and then about halfway through something takes over. The only way I could describe it is literally I started to channel something. Speaker 3 00:55:33 I don't, I don't understand what, and every mix was completely perfect. Every track that I selected, I had no, I couldn't, I couldn't fault myself in any of it. So for me, this was the best that DJ said in my career, which went over 20 years. And so halfway through, I'm pulling CD cases out, sorry, I'm pulling the CD outta cases while not even consciously looking at them. And it's the exact track that I'm looking for. So I'm feeding, I'm just, it felt like I was just feeding the crowd something and I'm making no conscious decision over what I'm playing. At the same time I know what I want to play. And halfway through this set, when I hit this, what could call a peak flow state felt like I'm completely in sync. I look down there, people are going completely mad. It's, I'm hitting the spot with what this music's designed to do. Then I catch myself and go, fuck, I'm hungry, <laugh>, I haven't eaten for two days. Speaker 2 00:56:35 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:56:36 Like, what's that thing in my stomach hurting? Ah, hunger. So there's no one around, I'm two stories up and I say, I wish I had a plate to sushi. Japanese food's, my favorite food. Two, three minutes later there's this tiny dot appears at the back of the dance floor. It's over 500 meters or something, 400 meters easy. And I'm fo I fixate on this. Do. And it was a little Japanese guy weeding his way through the dance floor, carrying a perfectly prepared plate of sushi, comes up to the dance floor right in front and bows raises the plate above his head. And I just couldn't believe it. That's exactly what I wanted. And I kind of put the request out there for it and I'm yelling at the stage manager to get this play up on the DJ deck and yeah, that happened. Wow. Wouldn't, wouldn't know what you would call that. Speaker 2 00:57:41 Uh, it's like, it's like a synchronicity and, and and also simultaneous like a summoning of what you wanted. Exactly. Which is really interesting. Speaker 3 00:57:48 If, if it was just a, you know, a one in a million fluke occurrence that as I'm requesting it, it appears Yeah. Then so be it. But um, yeah, they've had a couple of experiences DJing where I've hit a zone where I was literally felt like something had taken over. Um, I'm not in control of my hands. I'm not in control of, I am, it's a hard thing to describe being in control of what music I'm playing at the same time not having any conscious thought. And when I've hit those zones, that's happened a few times. But my hands reach for the CDs. Like I used to rock up back then, this is before MP three s and stuff. And, um, USB sticks. So I used to rock up to a DJ set with two to 300 CDs. Um, and they're, you know, they're, they're in CD cases sprawled all around me. And in those moments, I'm not sitting there flipping through like my hand would go to the CD that I needed in that moment. Cause when I hit that kind of zone, there was only, there would only be one track out of all of them, which would be the perfect next track Speaker 2 00:59:01 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:59:02 To create, to create a journey with the si trance in the way that I wanted. If I picked the wrong track, the whole thing stops. Yeah. And it, and those critical moments, there would only be one song in the whole case, which would be the next logical, um, track to pick. So that happened a few times. So you know, that's the generic hippie term for that is flow state. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:59:28 Pick experience, flow Speaker 3 00:59:30 State. But for me it did feel like in those I've DJ hundreds of times, but only those unique experiences, it actually felt like something was speaking through me. Speaker 2 00:59:42 Wow. Speaker 3 00:59:42 That's cool. Cause I was, I've never been able to perform like that at home. Speaker 2 00:59:46 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:59:47 Right. And usually, usually it's much easier to DJ really good sets when there's no one around and there's no pressure. Like I dj some really amazing sets at home. Um, but nothing to that level was always in a crowd when I was doing something to create that within me. Usually completely straight beyond straight, you know, dehydrated, hungry. Um, there was nothing influencing me on a neuro physiological level that I could understand from anything external. You know, where better it be food or a stimulant or even water. Speaker 2 01:00:26 Do you think that being in that sort of, um, state was like, um, you're connected to something higher that Speaker 3 01:00:33 Um, a hundred percent because I got the idea from um, like American Indian. The American Indians, you know, when they do their, what's it called when they go out Sun dance. Yeah. Then when they do their sun dance or when they do their spirit, is it Spirit quest? I can't remember the name. Speaker 2 01:00:51 Yeah. Speaker 3 01:00:52 And they go out into wilderness with little, little to no water. Yeah. And they're pushing themselves to the extreme of what, of endurance without any stimulants or any even again basic water. And um, something happens to them. So for them to have that as a practice, that's how I incorporated it into my life and experimenting with it in that way. Speaker 2 01:01:17 Excellent. This reminds me of a time when I was at, um, burning Man and uh, we'd been out, I was with some, a couple of friends. We'd been out all day, all night. And were starting to get to the point of exhaustion. So it's about 2:00 AM and you know, in when you're a burning man, it's rather extreme event because it's in the desert and it's very spacious. Like there's a lot of space to, to get from place to place to thing to thing. And uh, you have bikes and it's very dusty and you wear like stuff just to stop the dust and goggles and everything. And, and I'm riding along on the bike, a massive dust organ comes up and I'm with one of my friends, um, Paul. And um, and it just got too much. We just stopped for a second and we just have a laugh about everything. And I just said, God damn, I can really ghost and I could go, go some joza right now, <laugh>. And he said, yeah, that'd be really cool. And so we're riding along and then out of the dust appears our little hut and there's a dude cooking za. Speaker 3 01:02:20 Oh, Speaker 2 01:02:20 That's the best. This actually happened. Right. And he, and he, and we come up to him and said, what are you doing? He goes, I'm cooking Giza right now. Do you want some? I said, sure, that'd be perfect <laugh>. And so he had some plates of Giza and we ate them and it was like, how did that just happen? Yeah. But that was burning man, you know, for us Speaker 3 01:02:41 To do with Japanese food more than anything. Yeah. Speaker 2 01:02:44 Problem <laugh>, Speaker 3 01:02:47 Mystical experiences happen around Japanese food. Speaker 2 01:02:50 <laugh>. Yeah, exactly. Speaker 3 01:02:53 I think that's what I, what I'll eat tonight. But yeah, I haven't really experimented with that, um, since, but I am thinking to return to that kind of fasting slash Speaker 2 01:03:08 Whatever you wanna call, I think fasting might help with your, um, fatigue as Speaker 3 01:03:11 Well. Yeah, that's, that's what I'm working towards. But um, Speaker 2 01:03:15 Just do fasting and stake. Speaker 3 01:03:18 I spoke to a couple of people who seem to be experts in fasting and to the point that it's their job to lead people through it. Cool. It doesn't seem like that I'm healthy enough to be able to do it. And that's a catch 22 that it essentially makes you healthy, but if you do it wrong it can really Speaker 2 01:03:36 Harm Speaker 3 01:03:36 You as well. Cause some problems. That's Speaker 2 01:03:38 True. Speaker 3 01:03:38 That's cause I wanna do, I wanna do a 10 day fast, not just like two days. Speaker 2 01:03:43 My longest was 18. Speaker 3 01:03:45 Oh wow. Speaker 2 01:03:46 Yeah. Speaker 3 01:03:47 How was that? Speaker 2 01:03:48 Bloody hard. Really hard. And I had migraines for about four days as I got, got off coffee and then I hit a really nice ecstatic state that baed pretty much the rest of it. And then at one stage I was, yeah, I just had like an extreme amount of power I could say Speaker 3 01:04:11 That. I was gonna say when after the four days, did it hit like peak physical state? Like your energy clarity? Speaker 2 01:04:19 Yeah. It started to come through and then, yeah, by about day six or seven that was right on, right on for Speaker 3 01:04:25 The rest of it. See this is, this is why I wanna do it because from the research that I've looked into, they talk about how this cell cellular regeneration and um, a whole bunch of, um, processes kick in that kind of reset the body. Speaker 2 01:04:40 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Good idea. Try man. Speaker 3 01:04:46 Yeah, I just don't wanna get it wrong and end up in hospital. Speaker 2 01:04:49 Of course. Dominic, thank you so much for coming onto super normalized and discussing your experiences of application and possession and, um, working with an esia board. Considering all that, do you now believe in spirits? Speaker 3 01:05:10 I believe in something that I don't understand, so if that means yes, then yes. Speaker 2 01:05:17 Okay. Okay. Well thank you again and um, yeah, I look forward to more stories from you in the future and if you willing to come on that is, uh, <laugh>. Sure. And, uh, thank you so much for your time. Speaker 3 01:05:31 Not a problem. Hope everyone has enjoyed the, the weird and the wonderful Speaker 2 01:05:35 <laugh>. Right. Bye for now. Speaker 2 01:05:38 Thanks for listening today. If you have an experience you'd like to share, please get in contact with me. You can do so via Facebook, via Instagram. Just look for the super normalized, which is all one word. Um, search on those apps to find me. 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