[00:00:00] Speaker A: The responsibility is to do good for others because you do it to yourself.
You know, I picture it also a little bit like thinking in extremes about the oneness. There's only one that's Source. That's God or whatever you want to call it. If a child is born, then something needs to go in there. The only thing that can go in there is God or the Source. And so we all are the Source. Source is looking through your eyes at me, and I'm looking. Source is looking through my eyes at you. And Source is also looking through the eyes of your listeners. We all are part of the Source. Source.
[00:01:41] Speaker B: Welcome to Supernormalize, the podcast where we challenge the conventional, break boundaries and normalize the seemingly supernatural. Join me, C.J. barnaby, in the liminalist space to explore less charted realms of existence and to unravel the mysteries of life experience. Each episode I'm blessed with the opportunity to talk to regular people from across the world where they openly share their understanding and wisdom in service to others. If you're looking to upgrade your life, you've come to the right place. Be sure to like and subscribe and I'll bring you great transforming conversations each week. My treasured viewers and listeners. If you have a life story or healing modality or unique knowledge you'd love to share, reach out to me at Supernormalized Roton Me. Let's together embrace acceptance of the supernatural and unusual. What it really is completely normal. Today on Super Normalized, we have the fascinating world of near death experiences with the author Robert Bob Christopher Copper.
Bob had an experience that he doesn't clearly remember when he was a child, but he suspected actually happened, that I think maybe spurned him in the right direction to explore NDEs. He had a very strong fascination with NDEs from a very young age and went purposefully into finding people's stories and compiling them. And now he has a book out which is called Impressions of Near Death Experiences with quotations of over 100 experiences. It's a great story.
Sorry, I should say it's a great exploration of NDEs and the. His understanding of NDEs and the actual.
[00:03:25] Speaker C: Overarching message of love and understanding. And would you say it's like a everything is your life, is your life, do your life, which is what I got from this episode. If you enjoy or are interested in NDEs, this is the one for you I'm sure you'll enjoy. All right, on with the show.
[00:03:51] Speaker B: Welcome to Supernormalized Bob Cobus.
Bob, you've had a lot of experience with people who have had near death experiences. And you wrote a book about it. And I'm very curious to know what actually drew you to this in the first place. Welcome to Supernomalize. Welcome to the show.
[00:04:11] Speaker A: Well, thank you for being in your show, and it's really a pleasure to talk about NDEs on your show.
I started, that was a long time ago when I read Raymond Moody's book Life After Life. That was in 78, just a few years after he published it. He's the guy that coined the term near death experiences. And what really struck me was one of the. The interviews with a woman who had a near death experience. And in her near death experience, that was her life review. And in her life review, she saw what she did to others. And the interesting part there was that she was not judged by anyone. There was no judgment. Now, for me, coming from a Roman Catholic background with Helen, Purgatory and the Last Judgment, that was a kind of a revelation in the sense that I suddenly read or heard someone say that that's not the case. And I'd always had the feeling that that was wrong to have some kind of a judgment. And Hell and Purgatory, especially those two, I didn't like them and, and I didn't believe in them as a child. I thought, it can't be true. And here in the book, it said, actually, there is no judgment. Everyone is welcomed there. And that started it all. And that's where I started reading, listening to ND years. I spoke to many, many nders. And in my book, I have more than 100nders that have published somewhere, a book or online or whatever. And I have hundreds of their quotes in it, and I ordered them according to certain topics, for that was for me to understand it a little bit better. And that was such a nice thing to do because it enhanced my own knowledge even more than I had before.
[00:06:20] Speaker B: So you find this greater understanding of ND's more comforting understanding of death and the processes of death as not being the end, but being like a beginning to a new expansion of self.
[00:06:32] Speaker A: Absolutely. You know, a funny thing is some of my friends don't believe in this stuff. And they asked me, one of them asked me, why are you so preoccupied with death? It's, it's, it's like weary. And I said, I had to think about that because.
And then I came up with the answer that's the correct answer. That was like, I do this because it gives me a hope. It gives me an idea that there's something going on and not only an idea, it's, there's only, there's also circumstantial evidence to support that.
And that is something that I like. And it gives also a good, a nice perspective on your life or on everyone's life. And that is something that I, I really like and that's why I look into this. It's not, it's not depressing or something. If you, if you talk about these kind of experiences that have to do with death, it's not depressing at all. It's, it's, it's uplifting. It's, it's, it makes you happy.
[00:07:46] Speaker B: No, I completely agree with you. I, I experienced some death states myself. I drowned when I was five. And to me that was a beautiful experience, but it also made me want to have had a longing for the death state and what that meant to me. And it actually helped me to.
Would you say, embrace a greater expansion of understanding of that and, you know, going to, prior to like church, school on Sundays, asking questions. No one could answer the questions. So you asked a lot of questions.
[00:08:21] Speaker A: Questions, I suppose they couldn't answer. No.
[00:08:26] Speaker B: That didn't go so well in the end.
[00:08:27] Speaker A: Or you gave the wrong answers to them because it's off from, from what the, the official idea was.
[00:08:36] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you're definitely right about that. I'm, I'm curious though. So you've, you've got this fascination with NDEs from a young age and has, has that always been with you? I mean, it sounds like it's almost an obsession to, to gain a greater understanding of it. Is that correct?
[00:08:57] Speaker A: Yeah, you could say that. I love the word obsession. The, the interesting thing was, during one of the IONS conferences in the United States and IRONS is the International association for Near Death Studies, a woman came up to me and she said to me, I know for sure that you have had an NDE as a child, because I can see that from your aura. And I was like, awestruck. Something like, what are you talking about? I didn't understand that. And I, you know, I can't remember anything of it. The only thing I remember is that one time when I was little, like 8 years old or 7, I was rowing through the cupboards of my mother's kitchen and I found cinnamon. And I, I put a lot of cinnamon in my mouth and it went into my lungs and I know I had problems breathing, so I think I suffocated at that moment, but I can't remember any experience or so. And apparently that happened Happens to more people, they can't remember their experience. And there's one story also in my book of a woman who had an nde, but she didn't remember that only after she went through a regression therapy. She remembered all the details and she came up with the details also that what happened around her bed in the operating room and that was corroborated and confirmed later on. And so that's interesting that people can forget these experiences. Otherwise these experiences are so overwhelming that people really do remember them and not only remember them, but also in detail and also 10, 20, 30 years after and they still tell the same story. It's, it's engraved or inscribed in their memory.
[00:10:56] Speaker B: Yeah, well, they are, they would be very extreme experiences and.
But then sometimes with extreme experiences, because they are so extreme, you know, there is a blocking effect that can happen some for some people, I think so, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
So what do you think the NDE experience is? I mean, my perspective of it is that it's a taste of, you know, the crossing over the actual event of what happens when we finally do die.
[00:11:26] Speaker A: Yes. You know, some people that many of the ND years, they say they suddenly, they understand. So if this feels like this is dead, I'm dead. So this is dying. That is something that occurs to them while they are in this process.
So there's many people that say that explicitly and they come with these wonderful stories, blissful ones. But for me as a scientist, I want to have more proof. Otherwise this just remains like fairy tale stories that are nice to listen to. But I wanted to have more proof. And there is proof. There is circumstantial evidence in the, in the veritical observations. There are. And vertical observations is a very difficult term perhaps. Actually it is. I would translate that as verifiable out of body experiences. Like people that have an nde, most of the time at first they exit their body. It's an out of body experience and they can roam around where they are. They see what is happening near the crash site or in the operating dome and then, and then they go to their experience and they come back again. When they come back again, they can, they can say, I've seen this and that around my bed, or the doctor said this and, or they did that and something special went on there.
And then later on this has been confirmed independently. It needs to be confirmed independently. So there are so many of these stories that it gives you circumstantial evidence that this is true. And interestingly, there is a Book also published by the International association for Near Death Studies and it's called the Self does not Die. And I'll show it to you, the people that watch this is. It has many like hundreds of stories in this, in this way where there is an independent confirmation of what the ND ears have seen. Now this shows you only that your consciousness can be separate from your body. Something that has not been thought of to be the case because usually it is thought that the consciousness is created by the body. And now with these experiences you can see that the body can be somewhere else and your, your consciousness still goes on and has its own way of thinking. Now I had an experience with an interview with an ND ear that shows you not only the surroundings on earth, but also something that happened in the afterlife or in the heavenlike area.
The story is that I had this discussion with an NDER just prior to the financial crisis in 2008.
Bear Stearns was an investment company that was just rescued by the Federal Reserve in the United States. And then everyone was happy again and the stock prices went through the roof and was seemed to be okay. And then I had her in an interview with her and she said, no, this is not, this is the forerunner. There is really going to be a big crisis and it's going to be infecting a lot of countries, a lot of people and it's going to be very, very, very severe. And I said to her, no, that's not true. I'm an economist from my education. And I thought this is, she's talking nonsense.
Yeah. And then, and then actually later on in August, things started with Fannie Mae going bankrupt and Freddie Mac, those are big mortgage companies in the us arg, an investment company. And then Lehman Brothers brought it all down. And she had this. I asked her before I, when I had the first interview with her, I asked her, why do you think this, why do you think this is there, this is going to happen? And she said, well, 22 years ago when I had my near death experience, I was shown future scenes and one of the scenes was this. And I couldn't put a timestamp on it because there is no such thing as time on the other side now. She said, but the anxiousness, the tension in the world that is there at this moment and that was in March 2008.
That's what I felt. Exactly. That was what I felt during my nde. So it's going to happen. She was so certain about that. And then in September I phoned her again. I said, you were right. She said, of course I'm right. Because it is, it is information I got from the other side and it matched with the tension that I felt then. So everything else that I felt then should happen and it did. So this is some kind of an evidence that shows you that information from the other side. So there is has to be an other side on the other side of life. There has to be something that she got her information from.
[00:16:55] Speaker B: Well, that also speaks to the idea that maybe time is just the illusion that we live in when we're in the body.
[00:17:01] Speaker A: True. Yeah. That's another thing.
Time is not there. It's only created for our world here. I love some of the quotes that I have in my book. Like time is there all at the same time. That's the best one I know. So imagine that all the time is there at the same time. So at this moment your birth is still there. Or what you did yesterday was still there or what you did 25 years ago still there.
It's. It's amazing. You can't wrap your head around that. And others say time is.
It is not in time that my experience took place but was between time or I could look into the future and I could see the, the past.
Things like that. You know, time is not a. It's been mentioned so often with by nd years. Time is not there.
[00:17:58] Speaker B: Fascinating. Yeah. When I was a child, I had this overwhelming understanding that everything was being recorded all of the time. And that pretty much fired up my determination to do meditation as a part of my worldly experience. So yeah, I find that fascinating that you know that everything is recorded in time and stamped upon us, upon our souls for review later on.
What other common things do happen to people who have near death experiences? Was there like a set of common things that occur? Like, I mean, I've heard from another person that it's quite often that when people cross over for the first time or even any time that they actually experience like a welcome home party.
[00:18:48] Speaker A: Oh yeah, yeah. Welcome home party is something that happens. They seem to meet people or spirits or light beings that they don't know, but they actually do know. They, they. It's like I saw light beings and I knew them and they were so welcoming. One story of a Belgian woman that I spoke to, she said I was welcomed by such a big crowd and they were so happy to see me. And then they played out my life. There was my life review and everyone saw that and I was so embarrassed by the things that I did that I had done. Not everything was nice that I did. And then, and then she said all these light beings were so happy also for the things that were not so very nice. Because it was like.
She said that was the. The real quote. It was like I. I gave them pearls, like my, My experiences, everything I did. Those were pearls that I gave to them. And they were so happy to receive these, these gems, these pearls.
And you ask me about what is. What is another commonality that nd ears speak about? You know, for me, after writing my book, I. I noticed that I came across so many quotes from people that said we are so closely connected with everyone. Like, not only with the people, but also with animal worlds and a world and with nature in general. But we are so, so closely connected to everything.
Some people take it a little bit further. They say it's. It's like we are one. It's. It's just big oneness that we are part of. And others go. Go even that step further. And I just quote others and they say, we all are together. We are God.
So this oneness is something that really struck me because I came across it so often. And there is. There is a nice quote from a woman. And maybe I can tell you she. She left her body. She had her nd. And she said, leaving the body is such a wonderful experience because it gives you such a big freedom. You're not limited anymore by your body. It's. It. It is a total freedom. And she said, I didn't feel any pain, I didn't feel any anxiety, and no, nothing for my body. Nothing. And she said, but it didn't stop there. It was not that my consciousness was free, but my consciousness, even my consciousness merged with something bigger. So it disappeared.
And she said it diluted into something big. And that, you know, when I say this to some people, they have the feeling that this is scary for them because your consciousness is something you want to hold on to. It's your identity. I think it's. It's nice that you can leave even that, because your identity. What is your identity? It's just a role you play on Earth. And once you step off the stage, it's. It's. You're on a theater. Earth is a theater. You're doing a role. Cj. You're doing a role there. And I'm. I'm Bob. I'm doing a role here in Amsterdam. But once we die, we step off the stage and we become what we are. We are the divine in ourselves. And that will be merging with a bigger something that's how some people perceive this. I'm just giving you quotes there.
[00:22:55] Speaker B: No, that makes a lot of sense to me. I mean, I've heard in other religions where they see that our life is like a play and that we are actually playing roles, as you say. And. Yeah, the world is a stage and we're all actors in it and we all make choices. Yeah, that's fascinating. I like that. I like that. And it plays along with the understanding that I have of what this is all about, too. And I like how you talked about then the merging with the infinite. You know, I've experienced that myself or something.
[00:23:25] Speaker A: Something like that.
[00:23:26] Speaker B: They say, yeah, I've experienced that merging with the Source. And when I merged with the Source, I had no identity and I was infinite and I was just light forever and ever and ever and ever. And then as I came back to my body, I started to get past myself back and I was like, I'm flying back to my body. And I'm like, that's right. I'm Chris, and I do this, and I live in a life there and all these parts just sort of come back in and then assembled me to who I was, and I landed back in my body and was like, wow.
[00:23:59] Speaker A: That was back again. Your role comes.
[00:24:02] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. It's like. Yeah, it's like you're actually almost. You could almost say compressed back into like a. Like a capsule of being. And when you get back into that capsule, it's like. And you're in it. The concept of where you've just been is. Is. Is there with you. But the expanse of it, you can't. You can't fathom because it's so far out of being, this captured, encapsulated in your body.
[00:24:29] Speaker A: There are such nice quotes there with people that say the same thing. Your expense is so big. How could they get me into that little tiny body there? And then this woman said they really had to hug me, like they squeezed me into this, my body. And another woman, a friend of mine in the United States, she said, it's like they put an elephant into a Coca Cola can.
[00:24:57] Speaker B: What a great image.
[00:25:01] Speaker A: But you know, the funny thing is the biggest part of the elephant fells. Falls out of the Coca Cola can. That's another thing they say, the information you get on the other side, you can't take that all with you. It is too much.
And maybe you remember that yourself, but maybe you were a little child and you didn't know what to do with all that information. But the point is that some People say I knew everything. I knew when the earth was going to.
How do you say that? Pass away end. But every time I think of that, try to remember that, I get a headache. But the point is that you get all this information, but you can't. You can't bring it home with you. And one of the. One of the end years in my book, she. She thought of that because she knew she had to go back to her body and then she knew she had to leave back all that information. And she said I was going to remember one sentence that would say it all, that would give the essence of what I saw there. And then that sentence was, all is everything and everything is one. All is everything and everything is one. So it still doesn't give you information of what is out there, but it gives you the idea that there is a oneness. And then that's something that struck me when I was putting this book together.
[00:26:28] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That, that's. That their point is that when you have had experienced that, it makes sense. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I totally get that. My. The one that I got was everything is implied.
Everything is implied.
[00:26:45] Speaker A: That's what you heard.
[00:26:46] Speaker B: Everything is implied, implied all the time. Yeah, everything. Everything has implications.
[00:26:51] Speaker C: It's all.
[00:26:51] Speaker B: It's all connected.
[00:26:52] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. And the thing is that if you. If you really think about that, there's a oneness and you're connected.
And if you look at Life reviews, in Life reviews, people see their lives. They see the details of their life. They can zoom in, they can zoom out, but the thing is that they see what they did to others from not only their own perspective, but also from the perspective of the other side, the receiver side. So whatever you did to someone else, you see it as if it's done to you.
Now you need to think about that. It's done to yourself. So what you do, you do to yourself.
[00:27:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:35] Speaker A: And that is something that.
Closer to someone else, you can't come. It's the closest you can. You are the other. And that also gives you the idea that there is a oneness over there. And that's. That's what I try to tell people. Be conscious of what you do to others because you will feel it from their perspective. And I must say that that particular thing, that I think it changed also my life. I'm. I, of course, I'm. I'm not a saint or whatever, but I think I'm a little bit more conscious of what I do to others due to the fact that I know this and I. That's my. For many people. I hope that people will understand NDEs. They will understand that veritable observations are there to give circumstantial evidence. Then if they really validate NDEs, then they might also start thinking about doing things in a different way. Because you do to yourself everything you do to others, also to nature, you actually do to yourself. Because we are one.
[00:28:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:48] Speaker A: You can't escape it.
[00:28:50] Speaker B: Yep. Well, yeah, definitely can't escape it. It's a. Just a part of the.
The build of reality, I think, and every dimension, it's all connected all the time.
[00:29:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. We don't understand how that works while we are here, but we have to trust that it's the case and then. And then do it.
[00:29:12] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't think we need to understand it. I think we just need to know that it's true.
[00:29:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Understanding it. I don't think that's possible because I think the. The other also the fact that NDEs are very difficult to put into words because it's such a different environment there. It's a. It's an otherworldly environment. It's nothing like Earth.
So we. We cannot grasp what it is. And so we cannot understand also what the purpose is of our lives.
Although there's a chapter in my book about that with a number of quotes there. But I think it's. The thing is that we have to accept how it works and that we should try to be conscious of what we do to others. That's. That's the main thing.
[00:30:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. That's a great message. I think that's very important and I aim to do that in all parts of my life myself. Although I would not say that I'm perfect.
[00:30:16] Speaker A: No one is, because we all have the role to play.
[00:30:19] Speaker B: That's it. That's it. I think that's the reason why we get forgiveness when we get to the other side and we look at all the stains we put upon reality, you know, by our behaviors and stuff. And that's why you get forgiven, because you are actually meant to play a role, whatever that role.
[00:30:33] Speaker A: Well, you don't have to be forgiven. It's. There's no judgment.
[00:30:38] Speaker B: Wrong words. Wrong words there.
[00:30:41] Speaker A: I would just stressing that there is no judgment there, so there's no forgiveness necessary.
[00:30:48] Speaker B: Well, a great understanding of the self. Yeah. And what that means.
So. Okay, so what do you think the overarching message is for people that maybe live in like a severely materialist sort of existence and are afraid of death?
[00:31:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Being Afraid of death is something I, you can't help.
I know relatives of mine are, are very afraid of death. The only thing I can say is read about near death experiences, validate that there are vertical observations that give circumstantial evidence. There's more research going on, but it's, it's, it's, this is helpful and then just see, you will die anyway. So you will, you will see what it is and you will be happy. I believe that everyone goes to this blissful place, no exceptions.
And it's my belief, belief. The thing is that I know that there are distressing NDEs.
Those are a small subset of the real, of the broader picture of NDEs. It's like, it's difficult to put numbers on it because not everyone who has had a distressing NDE will step forward as saying what they have gone through because of the fear of judgment on the part of their family or friends or whatever.
But the, the, the thing is, with distressing NDEs, there is something like 10 to 15% of the NDEs are distressing and only a small part of those are really hellish.
And, but we know from research that it, you cannot say that people who have had a distressing NDE have led a very bad life and that people who have had a blissful NDE has, have had a good, nice, have been nice or good or something like that. You cannot say that there are examples of people who have really been bad and they said it themselves and they had a blissful nde. And there are a number of, a lot of examples of people who have just had an average life and are a common person and have had a distressing nde. So there must be a different, a reason for the existence of distressing NDEs. And, and we came up, or a number of researchers came up with the idea that this is caused by the things coming from our collective consciousness or from your personal consciousness. And there are examples that, that give some, some circumstantial evidence to this and to, to keep it for your listeners. On a nice note, there are also end years in my book with quotes that say they, One of them said there is no, I heard explicitly that there is no hell and no purgatory.
And another one said we all go home. I heard we all go home. So there's no, no exception. And that's why I really believe that these examples or these distressing NDEs are eventually going to be okay. And there are a lot of stories of distressing NDEs where things turn better after a while. Especially when they concentrated on light on love or ask for help or something like that. So there is always help.
[00:34:49] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Well, with the processes of death in Tibetan understanding of the Bardos, there are lower spaces where, you know, they could be perceived as hellish.
And I think they're probably just places where there's a lot of lost souls that are bouncing around before they realize that they are actually. They have actually passed. So it would make sense that without, you know, the proper guidance at the time of death that maybe some people fall into those places that that could happen.
[00:35:20] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't know how that works on the other side, you know, I think no one really knows.
And I always say to people, if there is someone saying to them, telling them that they know exactly what is going on on the other side, just run away quickly because.
[00:35:42] Speaker B: You'Ve seen patterns so you know, you've got a fairly good idea of what happens. So that's, that's a good thing.
Okay.
[00:35:51] Speaker A: So you can just scratch the surface. It's like, it's like. That's why I wanted to have all these quotes from endears and leave it up to the readers to come to their own conclusion. It's. It's nice to go through quotes of and the ears because it's. It gives you a good, fairly good idea of what it is about. But you will never really understand what it's. What the real thing is on the other side.
[00:36:18] Speaker B: Can you share any particularly memorable stories from NDEs that really struck you?
[00:36:24] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There is. There are a few. Yeah. There are so many.
Let me tell you the story about what I like so much is also relations with religions like what I said before, that we actually all have God within us. We are all divine. That's something that Hindus really believe in. That's part of their. Like in Christianity or Islam or Judaism, God is someone else. It's a third person and he's. He's going to. It's a man. He's going to judge us. So it's strange.
That's not how in the ears gave it. But the interesting thing is there was this story about a woman. She had her nde and she was floating in this wonderful velvety darkness and it was so soothing and very nice. And she. She was struck by the fact that she knew she was dead, but she could still think. So. So she was, she was like, how is that possible? How can I think and be conscious while I'm dead? And then she had to giggle about that. And then Suddenly there was this big presence behind her.
A very big, energetic, powerful, totally loving presence. That's something that many people say, there's unconditional love there. So unconditional loving presence. And she, she said, I turned my head over my shoulder, I turned over to look over my shoulder. And she had to giggle again because she thought, I'm dead. How can I have a shoulder to look over?
Anyway, so it was like that and she, she looked over her shoulder and she, she looked up and she said, and who might you be? And then this, this big presence answered, you are the likeness and the image, and I'm the original.
Now in the Bible and the. Somewhere at the very beginning, God created man to his likeness and image.
And I thought, this is such a nice thing. And, and the funny thing is also that she said, when I heard that, I was awestruck because I've always looked at that little passage in the Bible that said this and I didn't understand it.
I was always intrigued by what it would mean. And then there's this presence that says, I'm the original.
I like that story.
[00:39:13] Speaker B: Yeah, that's beautiful.
[00:39:14] Speaker A: And there are other stories. There's. Yeah, there is a story about little Christina.
She is, she was a child of 8 years old. She was abducted by two men. They tried to drown her and she had her nde and in her nde she went through a tunnel. At the end of the tunnel was someone blocking the way and telling her she had to go back.
And this, she said, it couldn't be anyone else than God.
And then she said, God told me it's easy to go back because life is easy. It has just four ingredients.
And the ingredients were love, be loved, just be and experience life.
Now I thought that was wonderful. So it's two things has to do with love. To give love and to receive it. And the other two are very easy because you just have to be and experience life.
And that, that is also some of the things that other nd years said. It's like God or source wants to experience life through us. It's, it's. We are the puppets that experience life and God is experiencing in experiencing it through us.
And I thought that was an interesting way of looking at it.
[00:40:46] Speaker B: No, that's my understanding as well that from my experiences that everything's connected. And to put it plainly, God is everything all of the time and love is everything all of the time.
[00:41:05] Speaker A: Yes.
You can't see that when you're here. I mean, if you look at the things that go on in Gaza or in, in Ukraine or in Sudan or the things that happened in Cambodia or in, in Rwanda or you name all the places.
It's incredible to hear from ND years that, that love is the most important thing there is. And it's, it seems to be that everything is built out of it.
Something that you. I can't, I can't understand that still.
[00:41:39] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. For all of the awfulness in the world. Yeah. I think if we all embrace love, though, then those awful things probably wouldn't happen.
[00:41:49] Speaker A: Yeah. If we would all really go back to what we really are, the divinity that's in us, then all these things wouldn't happen.
But that's the, that's the, the reason for being here. There is a limitation. There's a big limitation. We only have three dimensions in time and we have to do all our stuff within those four dimensions. And it's difficult. It's, it's. Yeah, that's, that's part of the strife, part of the, the task that we have.
It seems we have to try to express our love within those limitations.
[00:42:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
You've got a couple of websites that you've got out there and one of them you have is NDE Unconditional Love. Love is universal. And you've got the, the NDE Declaration on Unconditional Love. What do you think your purpose is with that?
[00:42:54] Speaker A: It's, it's to show that what the central thing is, central idea is that is being conveyed by so many ND years.
It's, that is actually what it says. It's unconditional love. And that's the main thing that there is. And there are a lot of people. NdeRs, there's only NdeRs that I asked to endorses and there are hundreds of those famous ones and not famous ones, but they, they endorsed the message and that is the message. And I, I hope that people will read it through it or they read other books or things from endears or look at the website that IONS has, the International association for Near Death Studies.
There's so much information out there and I, you know, I hope that people will access that information in order to, to get more hope, to look at life from a little bit different perspective, more positive perspective, because it, life is to be enjoyed as well. And I, I say that lightly perhaps. I know there are a lot of people that have difficulties, but what I understand from ND years is when they, they come back in their life, in their body, they know that it's important to lead your life with all the the difficulties there are and all the nice things too, because life is also something you have to try to enjoy. And it's just a nick of a second.
When we, we die, we will be in the other place and life will seem like a little blip.
You don't understand that now, or I don't understand that now, but we will feel that when we are there. That's. I'm just quoting end years.
[00:45:07] Speaker B: It seems like your overarching mission then is to raise consciousness and also relieve people of the fear of death.
[00:45:16] Speaker A: Yeah, that's, that's what I try to do to raise the consciousness. Be aware of what you do.
Know that loving actions, you will look back on favorable, favorably. You will be happy to see them during your life review.
There's no judgment, of course, if you do other kinds of stuff.
But, but we have to try to help others. And, and the best way to do that is by loving them or showing love. And another thing that I learned is that there is a ripple effect. Whatever you do, even if it's in secret, it has a ripple effect elsewhere. So make sure that you create nice ripples because other people will feel them.
[00:46:07] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. God is everywhere and everything and all the time. So.
[00:46:13] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's also part of the oneness. If you do something in this oneness, you can't just think that it only stays with you or with the other person that you do it to it. Of course there is a ripple effect because we are all connected.
[00:46:32] Speaker B: Actually, it sort of adds a sort of layer of universal responsibility to our lives.
[00:46:41] Speaker A: I, I think so too. The responsibility is to do good for others because you do it to yourself.
You know, I picture it also a little bit like thinking in extremes about the oneness. There's only one that's Source, that's God or whatever you want to call it. If a child is born, then something needs to go in there. The only thing that can go in there is God or the Source. And so we all are the Source. Source is looking through your. Your eyes at me. And I'm looking sources looking through my eyes at you. And Source is also looking through the eyes of your. Your listeners. We all are part of the Source.
Actually, the Source is doing it. It's. It's. I pictured like a puppet player doing multiple puppets.
The puppet player is only one, but he, he plays several roles in the puppet play.
That's how I try to picture it. And it. I won't say that this is the way it really is because as I said, before if someone says that they know exactly how it works, then run away. But this is something that I get the impression also when I, when I get through my, the quotes that I have in my book, the many quotes about oneness. So this, this is some kind of thing that I came up with myself.
[00:48:23] Speaker B: Have you experienced an NDE yourself? But I mean you did have that one when you were, you don't really clearly remember.
[00:48:32] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. No, otherwise I don't have one. But it's, it's interesting that I was so interested in.
[00:48:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Compelled.
[00:48:41] Speaker A: So it has to come from somewhere. Maybe it was put in, into my plan before I was born. And there are indications that we all have such a plan that there's something we all have to do. We all have some kind of task to do or things to go through, to work through.
[00:49:06] Speaker B: I believe that family myself from my experiences, I like to believe that what happens is we're in the waiting room on the other side and we're given some travel brochures and we look at it and we go, oh wow, that, that's great. And all of a sudden you're born and you're on the ride. You've got to take the ride too late. Just enjoy it.
[00:49:29] Speaker A: There is also a wonderful story by someone, Betty Guadano in the US and she, she said she was a drug addict. She was, she had been prostitute. She had been in terrible situations. But then she had her near death experience and in her near death experience she was shown her pre birth planning and she was, she said I was like, I was in a, in a, in a grocery store and someone had a cart with him. That was my guide. And the guide said now let's pick out your life. Let's, let's put it together. What kind of experience do you want to have? And the grocery store had all these experiences and she said, oh wow, prostitution. Love that, like to see what that is. And she put it in her cart. And then drug addiction. Wonderful. That I want to see what that is about. And then give me more, give me more. And she had all these horrible things she had to go through and that she went through these things and then when she really realized that she had chosen those things herself self, she was like, okay, now I, I understand the heaviness of my life. And then she nevertheless didn't want to go back again.
And they, they told her you have to go back and because there is a mission, you have to be part of this global change of the shift that we are going to be in so she was sent to earth again. It's a funny story. This is.
[00:51:01] Speaker B: Did that change her life, all of that understanding?
[00:51:04] Speaker A: Absolutely, yeah. You know, she was still addicted because she passed away because of an overdose. And you. You can't just stop an addiction. And in her case, she. The funny thing was that heaven was helping her, and heaven was helping her in very strange ways. Like, she. She wasn't. She had an addiction. So that meant that she was having all kinds of dealers, because if one dealer doesn't have something, then you go to the next one. She had a list of something like 10 dealers, and all of a sudden, all of them just stopped dealing.
One said, well, I believe in Jesus. So I stopped this. And the other said, I'm a husband now. I stop it. And they all had their own reasons to stop, but they all stopped. So she couldn't find her drugs. And she was on a. On a cold turkey, abstaining from drugs over just overnight.
And that was horrible. She said the third day, she was on heroin. And the third day is the most difficult day. It takes about a week to get rid of your addiction. You have to go through this week, and that's really such a big thing. And she said, I suddenly I heard a voice in my head and that asked, what were you like? And then she said, to get away of my.
The. How do you say this? The refraining.
The problems of abstinence of drugs. There's a word for that. I don't know what that word is. But you. You go through these problems, and it takes a week. And she's. She said, I want to stop. I want it to stop. And then they said, we can help you. And they helped her. And then just suddenly something happened, and she was clear. She was clean of drug addiction. And that was a miracle in itself. And there were so many other things that happened to her.
She was in a. In a metro system in New York.
One of the cars was totally empty. And there was just one man entered there. And she saw he had a necklace with a sign that says something like, narcotics Anonymous.
And then in her head, there was a voice. This is your way. Ask him where he's going. And that she. She did that. And then he said, why didn't you come with us? And then. And that started it all. And there were many more of funny, interesting synchronicities in her life that put her on the right track. And now she is working for our organization and giving talks about her nde.
It's really amazing.
[00:54:13] Speaker B: That's awesome. Yeah. Wow. Wow.
So, Bob, we've come towards the end of the podcast. How can people find your book Impressions of Near Death Experiences?
[00:54:25] Speaker A: It's on Amazon. People can find it there and it's called Impressions because no one can really tell you what an NDE is. You have to go through a lot of NDEs, read them, speak to ND years to come to your conclusion. And that's what I try to do for the, for the readers and people. If they have questions, they can go to my website and it's bobcopas.com okay.
[00:54:55] Speaker B: So what I'll do is I'll provide those links in the show notes and I just want to say thank you very much, Bob, for coming on and sharing your understanding of NDEs and your, I would say, positive obsession with them.
[00:55:09] Speaker A: Thank you for having me on your show. It's a really pleasure to be here.
[00:55:13] Speaker B: Okay, I'll just say goodbye the listeners.
[00:55:17] Speaker C: Well, that was a fascinating talk with, with Bob. I really enjoyed what he shared there and his stories of NDEs and experiences and overarchingly the message that everything is love all of the time and everything is God all of the time, that we are one with everything.
That's something that I believe since I was a small child and as I mentioned in the episode, I thought as a young child that everything is being recorded all at the time and that I should be really conscious of that. And I don't know where I got that idea from, but it seemed to be very important and I would often sit still and be still for a long time and. Which was odd, but that's just what I was then.
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