[00:00:03] Speaker A: Today on SuperNormais we have Ray Crist. Ray is the head of the Jaguar Path, a school of shamanism which teaches you to take a shamanic path towards heart centered healing and reconnection with the world. Ray went through his own healing crisis which had him stuck with stage four cancer and a death diagnosis which never actually came. In the end, he found his own path as instructed by a shaman to become a shaman to heal himself. Today's story is about everything that he went through and what he learned from that and how he healed himself and what the Jaguar Path could do for you. So on with the Looking at the statistics that I have for YouTube and for my podcast apps, I have a lot of listeners and viewers that aren't yet liked and subscribed. So if you're on YouTube like and subscribe, it's free. And if you're on a podcast app, please give me five stars. That'd be really cool. It helps other people find these great conversations too. Thank you.
Welcome to Super Normalized Ray Christ Ray.
So Ray, you have had a quite a story arc in your life in that you were extremely challenged by your body, maybe because of your lifestyle or whatever was going on at the time.
And in doing so it forced you into becoming your own shaman.
[00:01:39] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a perfect description. In a nutshell. I was.
I was a fashion and advertisement photographer in Athens, Greece, with my claim for fame, Vogue covers and bulletin boards across the city.
Successful for that career meant that I was working 90 hours a week, that I was under constant pressure, big budgets, short deadlines, and that pressure in that I, at some point I was diagnosed with cancer and I was given three months of life and this is 2003. So that really paused me on my tracks. And while I was thinking that everyone around me was right, great, great job, great career and all that, it looked like, turns out that my soul wasn't really feeling, that my soul wasn't happy or thriving.
So with that said, I paused and I realized that what have I done? Or what have I done wrong? And if I could have had a chance to do it all over again, what would have I done?
The sense of regret. As a young teenager At 15, I had come across the books of this amazing guy called Carlos Castaneda who wrote these books about his apprenticeship with a shaman or a sorcerer in Mexico by the name of Don Juan Matus.
So I was enamored with it. From 16 to 25, I read all his books till the end of Castaneda's life. I read all his books. But then when I was ready to, like, take on life, I really got carried away with my new motorcycle and cameras and this whole career and the whole idea of being in jungles or mountains and working with people of energy kind of like disappeared out of my awareness.
And so when that happened, you know, 20, 30 years later, when I was 39 years old and got diagnosed and like, oh, my God, what have I done? I didn't.
I didn't do what I suppose I was supposed to. I should have become that. I should have found these shamans. So I'll fast forward and say that that was an absolute reason for me to stop everything, pause everything, sell or give away everything I had and take a backpack and head south or I said I had west first.
I started immediately on my diagnosis doing acupuncture on myself. I was in acupuncture in Chinese medicine school at the time also, so started doing acupuncture. I started doing herbs, I started taking care of myself. I upped my yoga, I upped my tai chi and kung fu practices.
I took more time alone.
And I managed to already stretch that a year. But then, like I said, maybe I should check, you know, it's a year, let's see what's happening in that. Where they had presented it and characteristically, it was like a mess. The doctor said, it's a mess in there.
So a year later, I left and went to the United States, to John Hopkins. And they said the same. I said, where is there nothing I could do? They said, the best thing you should do is take care of your affairs. Don't leave things for others to do for you.
What? And why didn't you do anything? And why didn't you wait for a whole year and sake?
So again, I'll fast forward this nothing of it was like really phasing me. I was hearing it, but I wasn't believing it. And I was like, I am either in total denial or there's some way out of this. And that's what I'm tapping into, the some way out of it. So again, fast forwarding a story of three, four years until that moment.
They were interested in my case because I had been diagnosed for such a long time and hadn't done anything about it. And from kidney cancer, it had gone to my other kidney, it had moved apparently to my lungs.
And they offered me to do a take part in the study of the NIH and NIH National Institute of Health in D.C.
and I did. And there I did one surgery. I gave up my Right kidney, which seemed to be the, the first place where it all had started and from there spread.
And I know till today that if I hadn't done that surgery, I wouldn't be here today. I wouldn't be alive yet. After my surgery, only a few months later, I ventured through Peru and started finding amazing, amazing, powerful men and women, of beautiful men and women of knowledge of nature and life and the nature of life itself.
I fell on my knees in front of Don Francisco, who is an elder of the Caro nations, people and tribe, and I said, save me, Francisco. I have Don Francisco. I have cancer and I'm dying. Can you please save me? And he put my hand, his hands over my shoulders and kind of like helped me stand up. And he said, listen, I can't heal you, but it can train you to become a shaman and you can heal yourself.
And it was the first time that I, like the whole ordeal had me on my knees psychologically, mind wise, my body, everything. And that was the first time I really got off my knees. I really stood up and I said, you know what? Wow, okay, there's everyone else outside me. I've been trying, but I've been trying, but there's a lot more that I can do.
I can train, I can become this shaman. I have this opportunity which I missed when I was younger, what I regretted not doing. So I said, let's start.
We're still friends, we're family. He's like a father to me. He's like a brother to me. We've watched our kids grow up together.
He's coming here in Greece in a couple months.
We meet at least once a year, we talk at least once a month.
And we're very, very close.
We've all, both, him and I have managed to grow older and be in our 60s now.
And it's just been a wonderful, wonderful path.
Difficult in the beginning, a focused one throughout.
On my third year, my apprenticeship with him, he said, I said, what do we do next? And he said, what you need to do next is begin to teach everything I've taught you.
I said, but how am I going to do that? I'm like a white man. I'm not from the tribe, I'm not from Peru or from the jungle or from the Andes. He said, you are going to teach in English.
Francisco has a wonderful sense of humor. He said, what I've taught you, you have to teach. You can't be selfish and keep it inside you. If you keep it inside you, then it becomes stale and it doesn't function. But if you start teaching us it, it's going to become alive, it's going to flower. And you realize that all that you've had, and of course this is three years later, I'm thriving, I'm alive. It's. The people in the NIH are telling me there's nothing in your lungs. The other kidney seems to be so much more clear. Your kidney, your liver is fantastic. Whatever you're doing, keep on doing.
And of course, I'm not telling them that. I'm in the meantime leaving the NIH and going down to the jungle doing medicine, plant med, Plant medicine and magic or ceremonies, giving thanks to the earth, connecting with the elements, learning from the animals, and being steeped in this tradition in this tribe of the Karu people.
So here I am. And he says, you can't keep this like it will be stale inside you. You have to start offering it. And the more you begin to offer, the deeper it will root. Because what I've given you, he said, is wisdom. These practices, these ways of clearing out the body and fine tuning the mind and connecting those together and opening the heart, you'll find that these were the seeds I gave you. And only when you start teaching will they flower. And that's going to be. On one hand, they could be rooted deeper in you and your internal organs, and on the other hand, they'll flower and bloom and blossom outward.
And with that, in 2007, I opened the Jaguar Path school of yoga and shamanism, which has expanded the school of yoga, Tai chi and shamanism, where we teach people basically everything that I've learned or highlight or focus from the many tools and techniques that I've learned from them. From Francisco and two more shamans who I apprenticed with during these years, I've isolated 18 tools that I felt that they were most deep and important.
That made a difference after those tools, where I was having those ahas and feeling liberation, more clear, healthier, etc.
So the Jagrapath is an online school now. For the last five years, ever since COVID we had to go live online and. And we've been continuing to thrive and expand now throughout the world.
And once again, I've learned that a difficulty in life, my personal difficulty in life with cancer really brought me to evolve and heal in a much deeper way and expand myself in a deeper way.
And the same with COVID Letting go this time of the United States and walking away once more with a backpack.
I stayed for three years in Costa Rica, isolated mostly in the jungle and the Beaches on the west side of Costa Rica.
There, once again, the difficulty allowed me to expand even more.
Now our school is in more than 12 countries online, we have students from around the world and we teach one weekend a month for nine months. And in that every session I teach two tools, one every day.
And I followed Francisco's guidance on this for sure, and I continue to. But especially when he said, when I said, well, how do I teach? And he said, you teach it in English.
And what I understood because now when I was in Peru, I was dying. I wasn't there for any shamanic tourism or, or some new agey ideas to, you know, hear about what colors the chakras are. I was dying. I needed answers, I needed truth. I needed ways that would actually heal.
And this is what I got. I mean, I met 50 or I met 100 shamans, I met a lot of wannabes, I met a lot of tourist shamans, I met scammers, I met the whole kind. And I've come to also know that there's all kinds of people in the world within the gamma of the, the player to, to the most authentic person, to most deeply knowledgeable, to the most arrogant.
And you'll find that everywhere in all the all parts of the world, in all, in all professions.
But I had clarity as I was seeking to actually find and healing and as I was a real skeptic about all this coming from Vogue covers, to be in the jungle and listening to a shaman is a long stretch.
So I questioned every single thing they said and I had my eyes wide open because I had also a timer ticking, my life disappearing and I needed to really heal. So for me, teaching it in English meant that I need to find the science of it. I need to understand the science behind every single tool.
And that is what we offer in the jaguar path training in yoga and shamanism.
We have come all the way up to now to the point where we are offering, besides the training as it is, we're offering it as a Master's and a PhD degree through Ubiquiti University.
So.
[00:14:45] Speaker A: Wow, that's cool.
[00:14:46] Speaker B: Yeah. My goal is to bring it back, to be part of this movement of bringing this back to mainstream because we're all magic. We're all magic. You know, like, oh, do you believe in magic or that's fairy tales. So. Well, there's a lot of truth in fairy tales and there's a lot of non truth in Facebook and in this dry life of cities. People think, think that because we live in cities and we have iPhones and computers and fast cars or microwaves that we've evolved. And none of those are a part of evolution because psychologically we're still pretty much Neanderthals.
It's like, I'm going to take your oil here, give me that. I'm going to come and take your.
Come and dig in your country and take what I want. It's just like. It's just. Just thugs still moving around. And that's not a political statement, it's an anthropological statement.
We could see.
[00:15:45] Speaker A: So sorry, accurate observation.
[00:15:48] Speaker B: It's. Yeah, right.
[00:15:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I see it all the time.
[00:15:53] Speaker B: Yeah, we don't have a. A club that we're hitting someone over the head. But we have bombs. Bombs and guns and political powers and influences and. And all this.
[00:16:03] Speaker A: Those.
[00:16:05] Speaker B: Well, to my surprise, when I. When I left Greece with the backpack, I thought I was going to have to look in the deepest jungles, which I did. The highest mountains, which I did. I thought I was looking for something that was almost extinct and absolutely super rare.
And turns out that shamanism was never extinct. It was only extinct in the west, and that's in the.
In Europe and the States, but in so many places of the world. And with Zulu in Africa or the aborigines in Australia, or the curanderos and brujos in Mexico, I just started traveling through Central and South America, discovered that it's wide, alive and widely spread and present everywhere and in every village and mountain and jungle.
Shamans are still the healers for the people.
And there's so many people, so many places in the world where you may say, well, if you have something, go to the doctor and then go to the pharmacy. Well, there's more places in the world that don't have doctors and pharmacies than there are.
That might be our limited reality in the big cities or in the quote unquote in the Western world.
But it's not the truth. For the biggest part of the planet, in the biggest part of the planet, there's still shamanism. Through China, through India, through Mongolia, Russia, everywhere. And you know, cj, I was looking to find I. In my teenage mind or my youth mind. When I was reading Castanera, I. I was thinking, these are people of extreme power, of some hidden superhuman power, and that I would perhaps learn this and become super, super being a superman of sorts. And I've learned it and I have. And what I've though come to learn that all this is, and especially with the tribe that I work with, the Kerou people, is that their Superpower is affection.
Affection, affection, affection.
Be affectionate to yourself.
Be affectionate to your family. Be affectionate as a response to people that are either yelling at you or cutting you off, that are either loving you or they're either asking help. There's everything you're going to meet. Life is everything.
Life is everything. Everything is happening. Let me just restate that. Everything in life, everything is happening. Every moment, like this moment we speak. There's a baby born, there's a human being born, a human being dying, and everything in between that is happening. There's someone falling in love and there's someone being heartbroken and betrayed.
There's someone saying I love you and there's someone saying I hate you. There's someone laughing and there's someone crying.
Everything is happening now as we jump in or as we appear in this place where everything is happening. We navigate it.
We can navigate it. And most people, like myself, I said, what was I supposed to have a successful career, make money, whatever that was that I thought was success in life. And I followed that. But I was never told, and I had forgotten from what I had read that I could actually come in the driver's seat. I felt that, yes, I was efforting on one hand, but life was happening outside me and the success was outside me.
And it was outside me. It wasn't inside me. The success wasn't inside of me. The proof was that cancer was inside me. In other words, there was a huge part of myself that was miserable, that was not happy, that was not healthy, that was not really enjoying life.
So when I learned that affection is the most powerful healing energy, I also learned that loving yourself is the most powerful healing energy. And the actual way people say, well, isn't that narcissistic? Or if you're loving yourself, isn't that egoistic or isn't that self centered and good questions, really good questions. The answer is no, no, no to all of the above.
If you begin to love yourself, then you begin to learn how to love others.
And if you begin to love yourself, then you're not out there making relationships, copy pasting what you lacked in your childhood, that love you felt you didn't get maybe from the parents or the re recognition you feel that you didn't get in kindergarten, first grade. What happens is we establish these patterns. Patterns. By the time we're seven and we, we have these patterns inside our nervous system and our endocrine system. You know, people think about, talk about thinking and have these patterns of thinking or these patterns of this Patterns are deeply engraved in our body, in the endocrine system and the nervous system. They express themselves through with our. In our body. They express ourselves themselves through the motor system of the body. People's patterns show up in the motor system in the way they move, in their body language.
And they express themselves even deeper in the way we think.
And thoughts are nothing but words put together that we've crammed in this other.
In this other organ called the brain, which we in the west have decided or think that it's the most important organ in. In the body, in our reality, and it expresses it and understands God in the whole reality.
There could be nothing further than from. There could be nothing further from the truth than that.
The brain is.
Is an awesome calculator, is an awesome computer, and it computes the past to project in the future.
What I've learned is that everyone that is really smart and thinking and calculates everything they've learned in the past to really precisely direct their future have all missed out because there's only one moment that life is happening, and that's in the present moment.
And the brain is not present because the brain is a processor. It's not a feeler. It's not a. It doesn't communicate with the outside world directly.
There is another organ, though, that does, and that's the heart.
The heart itself. And I'm not talking about some kind of romantic idea. I'm talking literally the. The organ, the heart.
We've seen these amazing studies in the last 20 years coming out of Harvard Medical, where they found in the early 2000s, they've discovered what is called HRV, heart rate variability. They discovered that the heart doesn't beat. Each beat is not in the same equivalent time. There's. There's a. There's a shift of time and, and that. And we're talking about nanoseconds, right? 0.8 zeros of difference of time. But it's very, very definite and defined. And what that does is your heartbeat changes. It goes.
It's. I envision it, I feel it as this, like, almost like Morse code. There's a drum B, any way you want to say it, that is essentially reading the electromagnetic fields of everything around and through this electromagnetic fields, it's translating and pulsing, telling the thyroid, the hypothalamus, the pineal gland, what is happening and what hormones to secrete in order to mirror this external reality in the appropriate way.
But we've been trained out of feeling our heart.
It's left is romantic songs and we're Talking about heartbreak or we're talking or some cliches. Follow your heart. It's. Yeah, but if you really follow your heart and if you start really listening to what's happening in your ribcage, you can change the way you are.
You can change the way you are. In this study at Harvard Medical in the hrv, they started doing these experiments and they saw that when they put two people in a room and neither were told where their HRV is, what's happening when you put two people in the room, the person with a lower HRV always wants to raise their HRV 2 match. So in other words, in five minutes, the person with lower HIV would have risen, rises up to match that higher HIV.
That's great.
Christ was here, Buddha was here. If we had all matched their hiv, we'd be living in a very, very different reality today.
But the only thing is that people don't know how to listen to that. They don't want. We haven't. And it's a matter of attention. It's a matter of attention. It's a matter of actually also knowing what attention means and how to use it and where to put it.
So in other words, we put attention to our mind. And when our mind tells us stories, the stories outside don't matter. Because when you hear your brain say, well, you know what? You're not really tall enough for this job, you really don't have enough money, or your house isn't really that great, all this negative talk that we have in our head, or I'll never do it. I'll never be good enough. So much negative talk.
See, the brain is closer to the heart than anyone else, and the heart believes it. It overrides the heart.
It overrides the heart, this conversation.
So when I was here, taking this whole idea of HIV and understand the heart rate variability and focus is one of the most important things, how to focus on something. And you see it when people focus on something, they can make the pyramids. I don't care if they don't have cranes, they don't have electric or electricity or all that.
They can make the Acropolis, they can make these beautiful temples. What do we make today?
Not much compared to that. But the essence is when we focus, we could do unbelievable things, unbelievable for the mind, things we can surpass the mind.
The mind is still a part of being Neanderthal.
When you can start circumnavigating, navigating every moment through your heart and listening to your heart, first of all, you learn how to stand Taller, you learn how to project your chest forward. You learn how to stand, in other words, with integrity.
You become trustworthy. You are trustworthy. You can hold secrets for people, you can hold weight for others. You can carry some other people. Your mind is all about itself and its ego and how it protects itself. So we live in a world where everyone isn't trying to protect themselves. And for a buck, everyone sells out. And they'll sell out to do millions of COVID vaccines. They'll sell out to do whatever it is they sell out. They'll sell out. The mind, will sell it like this.
What is it that you wouldn't do if I give you $10 million in the mind, the way it's been cultivated, in the way we perceive it, there is nothing it would do for, there's nothing they would say no to for $10 million, because that's the value it has.
Even if your HIV is rushing and say, well, don't take those $10 million because 10 million people might die.
It will be overridden, it will override it. You'll be like, I don't know, I don't see the people. And if I don't see the people dying, I'll just press this button they told me, and I'll take the $10 million, I'll fly this airplane and spray chemicals and bacteria in the sky. I'm getting paid for it. I'm doing the right thing. I brought food to my family and everything else is okay.
But, and again, these are not political statements, these are anthropological. They're anthropological statements. And for us and for the shamanic work, and it's okay. This is what we're doing. This is what we're doing. We're driving ourselves to extinction. It happened in Easter island where they cut down all their trees.
They cut down everything.
And at the end there was cannibalism until every single human being died. And there's a really great example of what happened in Easter island, of how we are short sighted and we don't think to plan ahead.
With that said, it's about feeling, it's about trusting your heart.
And one of the most important things we teach, and I've learned, is that there's a couple voices in your head.
And some people say, well, there's a lot more, there's a busload. And that's true for many also.
There's at least a couple of voices. And we all have that voice they call the one voice we call the narrator, which essentially is narrating like a parrot. I know What I've learned in Facebook and in Instagram, what people will say and what society expects and what we think of all this programming and all this, these deeply rooted patterns that we follow along with everyone else.
So we think that success is what everyone else is doing. And again, like I said previously, it's like I'm beginning now to listen to the narrator because this is the voice everyone shares.
I've heard it from 100 people, so it must be true.
And we do it. You know, when the water buffalo in Africa crossed the river, they all cross together.
Because if you're crossing with a herd and have that herd mentality, then there's less chances of you getting eaten by the crocodile.
So in a mammalian level, there's truth to this, but in a human level, it has not allowed us to rise above that mammalian level.
Our human brain has only separated us from mammals, only to the extent of just being more organized in how we're self centered.
And again, I go back to saying that these two voices are in our head and we all have them. Have you ever sat there, there's something, or when we're kids, someone brought drugs. Do we try drugs? And you have one voice saying, oh my God, that's super cool, we'll all do this. And there's another voice inside saying, do not do this, this is no good.
And we kind of like override it. And that voice of like discernment and knowing the correct thing to do or not to do is always directly coming from your HIV, the intelligence of the heart.
And again, 60% of the heart cells are neuron cells. They're thin, thinking, processing cells, exactly like the brain.
Also, as is everything that comes down to the gut. But we don't listen to our gut instinct, we don't listen to what our heart's truth. And we just go along with the water buffalo and say, oh, let's do some drugs when you're young, or let's do this or let's vote that or let's do this that everyone else is doing.
And it's really tricky because you know, you're in your head.
So to sum up really, if I would say two things about a shamanic way of being, is that you're disregarding your thoughts.
You've learned, let me just say that a little bit clearer. You learn how to discern what your narrator voice is and what your shaman voice is inside you.
And you retrain yourself, you retrain yourself as a sweet animal, sweet animals, mammals that we are. And you retrain yourself to really have to make choices that are good for your whole being. And you begin to discover that the choices that are really good for your whole being are choices that are good for everyone around you.
And when you make those choices, there's a reflection. You send out this pulse of love, and you receive love.
There's a lot of work that we do in the training these nine months, nine months of gestation to come to this rebirth, to change. And in nine months, there's some very interesting things that happen biologically to us as months go by. So the setup of our meeting once a month, I give tools that help people progressively make those changes.
So it eventually sinks into the mind and allows the heart to rise.
You have to become smarter to become a shaman. You have to become wiser and with a quality of discernment.
And you have to become less selfish, but rather become a beacon of light and love and let go of this thing that has caught us all. It's like, how much can I get?
And you start walking around, and you start walking around saying, how much can I give? Everywhere you go, you walk in a store, you say, hi, how much can I give? You meet a person. How much can I give? Right? It makes you smile, it makes you laugh. Because why? Because energy is released in you because you're recognizing your hiv, is recognizing that. That's abundance.
That's abundance. Here I am, and in Peru, in this village that has no asphalt and barely has a cable that brings electricity to the village. Barely. It's almost like an extension cord. And this guy is walking down with his donkey, and I see him on his donkey with such integrity, with such a smile. And he comes and he is a shaman. He gets off. He has such self confidence, such truthfulness. And I'm like, I've never had that self confidence, never had that ease inside me.
Even driving my most expensive BMW back in the day when I was a photographer.
We've skewed the values, or the values have been skewed in history. So I'll pause there and say, everyone's a shaman, and the only thing you need to do is decide it and then say, okay, well, how am I going to sharpen the shaman inside me? Go to the Jaguar Path school or to a hundred other schools that exist, or travel and learn?
[00:35:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's a calling, too. I mean, it's a matter of actually recognizing that this is what your true nature really is.
And in recognizing that, too, connecting with your intuition, which is connecting to the heart.
And as you say, that's the Shamanic voice. And I think that's the important part that has been dissolved in our reality when it comes to all the social media and all of that stuff.
And that recovery of that allows us to become one with nature again in co creation.
[00:36:06] Speaker B: Absolutely. Absolutely. One with nature again in co creation. Absolutely.
So well said. You know, people ask me all these years with shamans, you know, like, ah, that's hobos. Oh yeah. Well, there's like sarcasm around it that it's some kind of mumbo jumbo New Agey thing.
Well, thank God for the hippies in the new ages because they brought. They, they opened that, they cracked it open a little bit. So they gave the pathway. Right. The hippies that went to India brought yoga has changed the face of the world in Australia and America and given us so much health and clarity and, and actually, you know, if you go a little further behind because if you really know history and you look at some things, the New Age, the New age whole wave was opened by Carl Jung because Carl Jung traveled and met shamans. Carl Jung really brought about and said, we're missing something, we're missing something. And his big disagreement with Freud was that the Freudian school and the, and the Jungian school, Freud was like, we can't say that because Freud was trying to establish psychology at the time as a science in the university. So everything had to be really real because people knew a lot in the 1900s. Everyone was so uptight and everyone was so square and everyone's so just, just prisoners of social structures that were accidentally made.
Centuries of people went by and suffered in their heart, in their mind, because what were the neighbors going to say? What is this? And you will be arrested for that. And just this echo of the witch hunt.
And I'll close by saying this. In the Dark Ages, people were put to the pyre. Hundreds of thousands of people.
Three things were persecuted.
Women, the feminine animals. They're extinct in Europe practically.
And the third, magic.
The Caro nations, people. When the conquistadors arrived in Peru, a hundred of them took off and went up high into the mountains and hid.
They hid for 500 years.
For 500 years no one knew they existed. They lived as they always lived, in houses they built of stone steps and they had their Dalamas and they planted potatoes and they started coming down in the 70s only to discover that everyone that was there either had died or their spirit had died. And found people that followed this religion that was called the Industrial Revolution and technological revolution. There's nothing wrong with computers and iPhones and cars. I love it all and I love the modern world.
It would be great, though, if we could overcome. Because what these people brought back, what they protected was not only their life, they protected their language, Quechua, which is as powerful as Sanskrit because it holds true, deep truths of discernment and clarity.
And what they teach us is that the first thing you need to do if you want to be a conscious human being and want to walk truth is that you have to bow to the feminine. If you don't bow to your mother that gave life to you, you're an unaware, selfish being.
If you can't bow to your sister, who holds it, if you can't bow to your grandmother, and if you don't bow, first of all to the greatest mother of all, Mother Earth, then you're just really out of reality. You've lost sense of reality, which is what happened, right? And then the animals. The animals. I mean, who doesn't want. Who doesn't have a pet, who doesn't yearn? Like when you see a wild animal, like your whole HRV races, you could see a dog wagging its tail, a cat purring, and all the funny things you'll see monkeys do and. And just all this cuteness and sweetness and aliveness, that is all God, divine energy express purely. We've lost that. We've exercised, we've taken it out, it's cleared out. We, like, live in cities of cement and we don't have that happiness.
They teach us to learn. So the Keronesian people teach us, first of all, to respect the feminine and honor it and give ceremony to it and service to it. Second, to learn from the animals and work with the animals. And third, that magic is everywhere and always.
And I'll tell you, the magic that I've learned from these people was proven in cat scans and MRIs and in the biggest, greatest doctors of the world in the National Institute of Health in Washington, dc. Bow to it, not knowing, they say. Whatever it is you're doing, keep on doing.
We've never seen this before.
[00:41:00] Speaker A: Awesome.
That's a great summary right there, Ray. And I know you've got to go, so I thank you so much for everything that you've shared today.
And I just let you riff because you had so much real goodness to get out there. And I don't think any questions being thrown in there would have added any more because it was just amazing. Thank you so much, tj.
[00:41:20] Speaker B: Thank you. It's been an honor, and I hope one day we make it down to Australia. The Jaguar Path.
[00:41:27] Speaker A: Yes. That'd be awesome. All right, thanks, Ray.
[00:41:29] Speaker B: Thanks again. Have a wonderful day.
[00:41:31] Speaker A: Yeah, you too, mate.
Again, another amazing talk. Thank you very much, Ray. And I would recommend anyone interested at all to jump over to his
[email protected] to learn more.
And I resonated so deeply with everything that Ray shared because I too had been through experiences in the past myself with learnings from Carlos Castaneda's books and yeah, having a healing crisis with cancer. Not as bad as his, but mine was still a challenge and made me open my eyes in different ways to the world. All power to Ray and what he's doing in helping to reveal the end of the cycle of the blindness to the paradigm of magic and how we all are a part of that co creation and where that can lead us all to heart. If you've enjoyed today's show like and subscribe and also get onto your podcast app and give us five stars, that'd be really cool and thank you so much for listening. Until next episode, it's bye for now.
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