Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreignormalized. I have Andreas Anthony Andreas is a yoga teacher, tantric practitioner that was leading what he would deem to be like a fairly sort of normal life. And he didn't believe that he himself could be a psychic being. Then one day he had a profound Kundalini awakening which lasted many hours and blew his mind open to his psychic ability and his understanding of himself, his body, his authenticness in the world.
Integrating all of that together, he helps other people to understand their connection to their body and the world. So this is a deep conversation about that, his understanding of sexuality and how that can actually help us all to grow in authentic ways. On with the show.
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Welcome to Super Normalized Andreas. Anthony Andreas, you've lived a life of discovering personal, authentic honesty.
[00:01:32] Speaker B: I have.
[00:01:34] Speaker A: That's why we're here today. So I'm really curious, can you share the story of the pivotal night in your ex boyfriend's apartment that marked the beginning of your spiritual journey?
[00:01:45] Speaker B: I'm going straight into it.
[00:01:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:47] Speaker B: Yeah, thanks. Thanks for having me on. I really appreciate the conversation and also the keen insight you have into. Oh, a lot of what my journey has been, has just been a journey about being real with myself and being truthful and letting that come through in my, in what I do and in my work.
Long story short, that night that you're describing was my psychic awakening. So I'm a practicing professional psychic and that has certainly been a wild ride to, to come to a point where I, I feel grounded and really in alignment with that truth of myself to be able to say that.
So that that night was back, it was right in the pandemic and I was, we were sitting down to have some dinner and so I'm a gay man. We were going to watch RuPaul's Drag Race, which is very cliched, but also great show.
And I knew I had to meditate for some reason. I can't tell you why. I just had a knowing that I had to meditate. And so I, I told, turned to my partner, I said, look, I'm so sorry, I really need to meditate. And it was very much like an eye roll type thing. Like, oh, here's Andreas with his spiritual stuff again. Like in the middle of our dinner having to meditate. So I did that. I sat down, I meditated, and eventually my head started going from side to side. And I didn't think it was intense as it. As what my then partner said was really intense. You know, I thought I was sort of just going like, a little shake, but he was like, no, your head was going cray cray. And what happened that night was my. I lost control of my body because my psychic channel activated and I had a dragon. Two dragon energies, because a lot of my cosmic ancestry is dragon, and I had two dragon energies essentially take me on the roller coaster of a lifetime into my psychic awakening.
[00:03:53] Speaker A: In this part of the episode, we actually talk about Andreas understanding his spirituality and psychic abilities and how that came about.
[00:04:02] Speaker B: You know, that was about three or four hours in the middle of the night, was doing all kinds of things at night. I was coming in and out of my body. I was saying things in channel that. And I was really scared because I'd never done that before. I was divining water for some reason, I don't know why. I was doing light language. And by light language, I mean I was basically screaming like a banshee at 11pm in the middle of an apartment building in Brisbane. And my partner was really able to hold the space, but at the same time, he was very concerned, probably. Yeah, he. He was sort of going in between. Is this legit versus. Is this a psychotic breakdown? Like, because there was no reason for it. You know, it was so out of the blue. And he had done quite a lot of work in sort of in, like, Reiki and in mediumship way when he was younger. So he had an idea, which was probably why he was able to hold the space. But it sounds kind of like cute and fun when you recount it like this. But in reality, I spent the next month completely, because I just had no idea how to integrate that experience and as the universe does, sent the right people in my path to help me actually understand what was happening. And basically what was happening, because we're years down the track now, is that I had a divine soul agreement to be awakened in that way in this lifetime. Now, I'd already had a spiritual awakening long before. You know, it wasn't like I was just not spiritual. I was very spiritual. I was a yoga teacher, I was a tantric coach, all of these things.
So I had done that stuff. But in no way was I wanting or trying to do the psychic Work. If it was quite the opposite, it felt like that was so far away from me, and that was something that, I don't know, like Madame Blah blah with a special crystal ball from, you know, who knows where, Fairyland. That's what they do. And I don't do that because I'm just an average person. And I don't have access to those abilities because that's what special people have, which is completely false. I know now. And the integration period was just as. Was just as intense. Was going to the doctors, I was getting brain scans. I thought that there was something wrong with my brain because it felt like I had an antenna on the side of my head, on the right side of my head for an entire year. It felt like this. That whole side of my head was beaming up to the sky.
And as much as I had my spirit guides who are now in communication with me, telling me, oh, it's fine. You know, this is just part of the process. How are you meant? You can't really just trust that when you're. When you're this fledgling psychic, you're like. So I went and did all the scans, and of course they came back fine. And it was like just a byproduct of. Of the awakening process. So now here we are. And now I do psychic readings regularly. And I'm a psychic development coach. And really my. My lens is that I know that everyone, because this is what my team tell me. Everyone is in this place of accessing and starting to open up to these what we would describe as gifts. But they're not gifts. They're just abilities that we all have, like psychic work, for example, and we are starting to access them in a more tangible way and in a more everyday way. And that's going to continue to occur according to my team and what they tell me. So my. My lens point is I didn't grow up as this psychic kid that, you know, turned my gifts off because I was too afraid. I didn't have access to any of that. I was just a normal kid. Yeah. And my psychic work and abilities came in way after. In my. In my 20s, mid to late 20s. So what I. What I really truly believe is that we are all. We are all in. In the stages of moving closer towards what I would describe as more of a fuller experience of being a human. It's that thing where they say all the time we only use like 12% of our brain capacity or whatever that percentage is.
So, yeah, we're starting to access more of that other percent.
[00:08:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I'M curious, do you think that all of the work that you were doing beforehand, just as a part of your sort of life and helping with other people as it was, do you think that maybe you were waking up your Kundalini and this was a Kundalini event?
[00:08:38] Speaker B: You're so good. Yeah, that's exactly what. That's exactly what it was. There was a Kundalini awakening as part of that experience. And during the experience, when I was out of the way and I was speaking with a voice that was mine, that wasn't mine, because I was in a full trans channel, my team was saying to me, the reason why you're a yoga teacher and you do weird movements with your spine and the reason why you've been dappling with sound, healing and all of this stuff was because it was energetically preparing my physical and energetic body to have that experience.
[00:09:11] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Just so everyone understands, this is what initiation looks like.
[00:09:16] Speaker B: Yeah, big time. It looks like chaos.
[00:09:19] Speaker A: Absolutely. And when you're in it, you think, oh my God, am I actually crazy?
[00:09:22] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:09:23] Speaker A: Right. But the thing is, you still have your observer, so you can actually step back and go, wait a minute, I'm actually still rational about this on some level. But this is happening anyway. Maybe I'm not nuts. And this is all okay. And that's where we get to normalize all this stuff.
[00:09:37] Speaker B: I love it. Yes, exactly. Exactly that. Normalizing what is supernatural in a way.
[00:09:44] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. I'm going to roll back a bit here. So how did growing up in a rural Australian town shape your understanding of spirituality, sexuality and identity?
[00:09:52] Speaker B: With a lot of conditioning, With a lot of shame, you know?
[00:09:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:56] Speaker B: So I grew up in rural Australia, Southeast in the Snowy Mountains region, if anyone's Aussie listening to this. So we're talking like Jindaba area, if you know that area. And beautiful, beautiful place. And also still quite closed down spiritually. And certainly back when I was growing up, being gay was just not, not really a thing that people wanted or embraced. So what I learned to do was to highlight the parts of me that people celebrated and diminish the parts of me that people didn't want to see or were uncomfortable by. So, for example, what that looked like was, you know, I was a grade A student. I was the top of my class. Like I was that nerdy kid because I hyper fixated on my academia, because that was something that I was naturally good at and something that could win me some form of appreciation, say from my parents or from the community or what have you. And Anything else outside of that. As I started getting older, you know, we're talking a teenager now, I would turn it off. So for example, my, I used to be a dancer and I stopped doing that because gay people dancing, like, you know, it's like I didn't want to give fuel to the fire of being bullied even more. And that's really sad in hindsight. Yeah. And I actually just last year I performed in a Christmas showcase tap dance recital, which was in my hometown, which was a huge full circle moment, you know, and it's because I have been on this journey of unlearning all of that sticky stuff. This.
What are the neighbors gonna say? You know, this, that mentality of what is everyone saying and thinking about me and letting go of that, realizing that, well, I, I don't even know what they're saying about me, so does it really matter?
And learning to stay in my authentic lane because that always gets me to the best experiences. And I've just moved interstate as a result of that. And the world feels like it's opening up to me in ways that I, I'm shocked, flabbergasted, overjoyed.
[00:12:17] Speaker A: Sounds like that you're coming out to the world in a different sort of way.
[00:12:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Embracing multiple coming outs.
[00:12:24] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that, that, that leads me to the next question. So you've experienced multiple coming outs. How did each one build upon the last to shape your personal growth?
[00:12:32] Speaker B: I say it's like one of my, one of my returning phrases I say all the time is a coming out as spiritual was harder than coming out as gay and coming out as psychic was harder than coming out as all the rest because it was just greater niched down levels of black sheep, you know, And I, I think the, the reason that I could come out as, hey everyone, I'm a light worker that talks to galactic beings and angels and feel in my seat when I say that. And rooted in the truth of that for me, without any sense of people pleasing or shaming around, that is because I went through that experience of happening to own myself and my authenticity as a gay man.
So it really has been this beautiful like soul aligned journey.
[00:13:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:27] Speaker B: And it's been terrifying and it's been challenging and yeah, I say beautiful. But the reality on the ground was it's taken a lot of courage and it's taken a lot of, I would say, assessment of is it more risky to be truthful and come out again or is it more risky to not?
[00:13:49] Speaker A: That's a big question. It makes me think about Myself, when it comes to my abilities, my connection to spirit in all sorts of different ways over time, I learned that, you know, just sometimes you just know when you're with people that some people are just going to go, that's different. And then you can just tell their brain switches off. So you just don't, don't tell them. And you tell other people that. Get it?
[00:14:10] Speaker B: Of course. And I do the same. Yeah, we're not, we're not going around with a, with a sign. Hi, my name's, my name's Andreas. I'm a psychic.
Unless it was at a specific conference for specific people where that would be totally the case. But if someone stops me down the street, because like I said, I've just moved. So everyone that I run into is like, what do you do? Did you move for work? And I'm like, no, I moved on. An intuitive nudge. And I'm a professional psychic. You know, there's no holding back. What am I going to tell them? That I work at iga? I don't. I am a professional psychic. So you have to be real about that, I believe. But there has been a time where, especially when I was a tantric practitioner, I was beating around the bush, not being clear, not saying what it was. And yes, you, you assess kind of the level of an invitation and the capacity of somebody else to actually hold that and what the truth is. But at the same time, I do feel like there has to be a.
It's a form of people pleasing, in my, in my opinion, you know, where it's like, I'm going to make, I'm going to protect you so that I can protect myself from feeling rejected in some way. And that's really important to, you know, not put ourselves out in the really wrong context. But at the same time, I think there's a limit to that and we do have to move in from our heart space and let our heart space shine out. Truthfully.
[00:15:34] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
What has been the most significant challenge you've faced in accepting your psychic abilities?
[00:15:42] Speaker B: The most significant challenge. They're all super significant and challenging. But I think the biggest thing for me was owning it, as in not second guessing myself to the point of talking myself out of it.
And it's, it's a worthiness piece, I think. And when I, when I coach people as well, it comes up again and again. It's, who am I to be a psychic?
Because that's, that's, that's left for all of the special people or the people on TV or the Celebrity psychics. And there's a healthy level of skepticism which I think keeps you grounded as a psychic or a fledgling psychic or an intuitive or yeah, that you need that because otherwise you, you blow off into psychosis land.
So that healthy level of skepticism keeps us grounded, observing, like you were saying before, we're watching ourselves. But if that tips over too far, we end up just squashing ourselves and going, I don't know. And especially at the beginning when your abilities are emerging and you haven't practiced with them and you're learning how to work with them, it's very easy to say that was challenging and hard and clunky and so therefore I'm not psychic, I'm just delusional or this isn't real. And the biggest challenge for me was overcoming the self doubt and letting myself move forward from that inner knowing of what was taking place and letting my guides as well actually, when they were speaking to me, letting them actually hold truth, you know, like, okay, yeah, this isn't just crazy thoughts from my brain. This is, this is real. So that had been, that's been significant for me because it was years and years of growing in the confidence which only comes from practice time, journeying with your, with yourself in that abilities. And it's like any skill, which sounds a little bit, I don't know, weird to say, but it is like any skill and it just like playing the piano. If you might be naturally gifted at playing piano but you're still going to have to put in the hours to become amazing at playing piano. And psychic work or spiritual work is the same. But I do believe there's a false belief that we think well because it's spiritual and it's a natural ability, therefore it just should come in at a hundred percent and you know exactly what to do and it happens. But it's so far from the truth.
[00:18:29] Speaker A: Yeah, that's so far from the truth.
[00:18:31] Speaker B: But I do think we think that way. We go, oh well, it's, my gifts are open, so bing, I know what to do. No where. It's like emerging out of the, out of the hibernation. You're like, my eyes hurt. I don't even know where. What am I doing? You know?
[00:18:48] Speaker A: So that leads me to the question then, what steps would you recommend for someone looking to tap into their own intuitive skills?
[00:18:55] Speaker B: I'm tempted to just blurt out something, but I'm actually going to tune into my own team if you're okay with that. Just to see what they want to say, yeah, sure, because I Feel like they'll have something interesting. So the first thing they're saying is to move from your heart center to move from inside to out, rather than out to in.
So I'm not surprised they've said this because they, they do say this to me quite a lot.
There's a misconception that in order to open your psychic abilities, you have to somehow zoom out of yourself. So you will go into your crown chakra or into your third eye chakra and sort of beam yourself away.
So I'm going to open up to the universe and go beyond me to try and pull something from the void. I'm going to go beyond me to try and pull the angels down from wherever they are. The reality is that it's all you. It's all you. Nothing is outside of you. That's just a false illusion that we have because we are in a physical form.
Now, I know that's like a full blown spiritual concept, but if you just hang on, hang on with me here.
The best way I found and that my team are telling me, which is my spirit guide team, is to go into the heart, into the inner heart, into the portal that is the heart center and go, you're going into your energetic spiritual body and from there you can connect into this fullness. But that fullness, the angels, the guides that you're pulling from, they don't exist on planet blah blah, you know, they're existing inside of you in the fullness of your soul capacity.
So when I'm speaking to my guides right now, it's not like they're a different entity to me.
They're just a bigger or they're an expanded version of me, but they're still me. And it's like I'm like a laser beamed down petal of the flower and they're the stem of the flower, but there's also a flower bush as well. So it might feel like because I'm a petal and there's another petal next to me, that we're different petals. And so therefore, if I need to talk to that petal, I've got to scream over to that petal that's over there on that other flower.
But actually we're all from the same bush. We're one, one plant man. So it makes sense, rather than trying to fill the void and scream across, across to the other petal on the other flower on the other side of the bush, to actually go straight down into the root, because that's where we come together. And that's what Moving into the inner heart space is. And I know that as a concept that could be quite ethereal to describe, but you know that that's why I do psychic development coaching and things. And that's what the second, second step is, to get support. That could be support from you. Listening to this podcast in a way is the support. It's context, it's permission, it's validity. And then there could be more hands on support, whether that's me or somebody else that is providing some form of service, whether it's one on one coaching, which is what I do, or Whether it's a YouTube video, what have you following your inner compass to feel who that right teacher could be or guide or supporter is a great way to be guided into your fullest expression. And I come back to, they're like nudging me back to the piano metaphor. They being my, my guides.
[00:22:42] Speaker A: Sexuality and tantra is something that we all don't actually consciously engage with, I think. And as a part of that story, to really get the most out of our sexual experiences authentically you need to actually understand like the, the tantric element, which is like the, the connection to God within those experiences.
[00:23:05] Speaker B: And it's the same thing. Like you can learn to play piano now on I don't know, learnpiano.com or whatever and it can be this sort of independ practice or you can go old school and you can go to a teacher like I did when I was learning to play piano and then they can impart their knowledge and their skill set onto me. So onto you. So going it alone is tempting, but I would highly recommend you don't do that. It's not the vibe. It's going to be harder and it's going to be full of confusion. And I think the missing piece of that is the validity. You know, like being able to share your story and your crazy days, nights, experiences over time. Because I know that most people don't have a safe place to be able to share those stories without feeling like they are crazy.
I could go on, but I feel like those two are the biggest pieces.
[00:24:05] Speaker A: That makes good sense.
How do you integrate your background in yoga with your psychic work to help your clients?
[00:24:12] Speaker B: Yoga is amazing because in. Have you done much yoga? I'm curious.
[00:24:17] Speaker A: I have done yoga. I wouldn't say I'm a frequent person right now, but I have done lots of frequent yoga in the past.
[00:24:23] Speaker B: Yeah, awesome.
So you know, you would probably know from your own time dappling with yoga that it's quite a full system. And it's, it's breath work. We know it's movement, we know the postures are there, but it's breath work and it's meditation and it's learning to work with energy and your breath. That is pranayama, working with energy in the breath work. So these are all parts of yoga. And I know that maybe if you go to like fancy pants class in the middle of Brisbane or something, it may only be touching base on a tiny bit of breath work and mainly movement. But the totality of the yoga practice is so much deeper than that. And that's what I utilize in my coaching because as I was a practicing, and am a practicing yoga teacher for it's getting up to like eight or nine years now. And what I find so helpful is being able to use really tangible tool sets like breath work, for example, or like guided meditation to be able to tune in. This is that tuning in to the heart space, tuning in to the inner quiet, opening up the vessel, just like we were describing with the Kundalini awakening experience.
All of that goes hand in hand to start to open up those wider abilities. I also use yoga and I also use tantra. So tantra is, it's very similar, but I use the, the energetic side of tantra to move into blockages especially. There's a lot of blockages in the sacral chakra in our sex center, creation center. So if anyone listening doesn't know much about that, you've got the seven chakras, seven energy points along the spine of the body, and the one I'm talking about sits basically in the groin. So it's the, it's the seat of creation, it is the seat of creativity, it is the seat of sexuality. All of those things are tied in hand in hand. And often blockages there in our creative center will then block off the third eye, which is the psychic center. So it's like you're not tapped into life force because you've got a block of fear or something there. So because I was a tantric facilitator as well for such a long time, I weave that all together when necessary and within the consent of the client and with what the client wants to explore to, to essentially, okay, let's look at what's getting in the way of opening up the channel here. Let's, let's focus on what can promote opening up the channel. And if the channel is already open or opening, let's start to work with the actual guides themselves to, to accentuate that, to make that more natural as a process to them. So, yeah, yoga.
Yoga is one of many tools that I utilize, but I love it because it's so. It's so tangible. It's really real. It's in your body, with your breath, with your movement, you know, and that can be really grounding because a lot of the stuff we do in psychic work is like, it's in woo woo town, you know, it's intangible.
[00:27:42] Speaker A: True. So turning to sexuality and tantra, how has tantra helped you heal sexual shame? And what lessons can others learn from this practice?
[00:27:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Cool. Do you know much about tantra?
[00:27:55] Speaker A: I know a little. Yeah.
[00:27:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Would it be helpful to sort of explain tantra a little bit, Give it.
[00:28:00] Speaker A: A bit of a framework so people understand where you're coming from there?
[00:28:03] Speaker B: Okay, sure.
So tantra is really misunderstood for the most part because it's one of those spiritual lineages that have a lot of breadth and a lot of mystery.
So tantra first and foremost is about sacred relationship to the deity. The deity being source. Back in its original Indian context, that would be actual Hindu gods and goddesses.
And essentially you're looking at all the things that that yoga has. So breath, work, movements and all of that. But you're also doing a lot of ritual. So a lot of prayer, a lot of chanting, mantra to the gods, to the deity. But the point of it is actually to go into your body and find God. Yeah, that's tantra. And then we have within some lineages of tantra, they move into sex and sexuality as well because they don't turn their back on anything. You know, sometimes yoga or will poo poo sexuality and be like, nope, not my domain, I don't want to go there. Brahmacharya, if you follow yoga, there's these concepts of like, almost purity, like purism and Tantra's like, no, when we're not about that, we're about going deep into the truth of all of the human experience, including sexuality. And. And we're finding God in there as well. So that's where you get a bit of that sexual mystery within tantra. And some lineages take that further than others. Some lineages, they do almost no sexual work at all. And then you've got Neo Tantra, which is basically tantra in Western countries. And you know what, that's what I teach because I am in a western country working with predominantly Western minds. So they actually do relate to Neo Tantra far more than they do to perhaps a more traditional Vedic Eastern tradition. So because there is so Much sexuality wounding in this world. And I wish it wasn't, but it is. And it is my opinion that a lot of that is intentional. A lot of that is done to tie us away from our creative life force. And a lot of it is trauma, just recycling, you know, through family lines and all the, all the unfortunate ways that sexual trauma occurs. Even if you haven't had sexual trauma, you absolutely have likely been conditioned sexually just by being in the world with so much sexual influence and nuance and shame and religion and be super sexual because it sells and don't be sexual because it's shameful and sinful. And all of the messaging that goes on that blocks us off, it confuses us from our life force, from connecting into the truth of our sexual energy in a way that feels genuine, like genuinely uplifting and nourishing. So tantra is a beautiful sacred tool to start to gently work with these fears, hang ups, shames, guilts, addictions, whatever it may be, that kind of equally hangs on the side of our life. Yeah, that sort of just sits over there but actually has a huge impact on our, how we see ourselves, on our confidence, you know, all these pieces that are tied into our sexual energy.
So if we can use something that is gentle, nourishing, invitational, non threatening to open up and look at, look at some of that wounding, look at some of that patterning, look at some of what is going on there. And that's where I use tantra, the tools. Breath, work, energy work, sound healing. You know the mantra then we are, we are accessing the, I would say the biggest part of what can move the dial for people. But also the, the, it is the, the thing that most people don't touch. Most coaches, most teachers, they don't want to go there. And I get that because it's scary to, to and maybe taboo to talk about people with their, and talk about their sexuality. When you're talking about spirituality, it's all like, can the two coexist? Yes. And they should. And it's not that it's sexualized.
You know, to heal and to move with and work with sexual energy is not to have to sexualize the process. It's not like that. But you know, to sum it up, I remember many years ago saying I don't want to work with people half assed. I want to work with people in their fullness, their full energetic body root chakra, all the way through to the crown. So I'm not going to skip over the sacral.
And I think that's where the Tantric work is a beautiful way to.
To work with your fullness so that you can be in your fullness.
[00:32:55] Speaker A: Yeah, well, the whole being is the only way to really connect with God, you know, and goddess. I mean, I wish there's a better word, but it's all one. And without that being a part of you, you can't truly express yourself.
Right. You know, you're not coming from the authentic place that you're talking about that you need to get to. And so I, like you say, opening up the whole way is the. Is the way.
[00:33:18] Speaker B: And it's a bit rebellious, isn't it? Because often in traditional spiritual practice, there's been the opposite. It's been turn off your sexuality and somehow become bigger and better than that and move beyond your sexual energy. I'm talking about, like yogis in the cave type thing or even traditional religion. There's this idea of your sexual energy is a sin.
It is taking you away from God. It's taking you away from your fullness. I'm using God in the non religious context. I'm using God to mean source consciousness. And if that is in the psyche, if that is running through the vessel, the body, the channel.
No, it's the way that. The way that you then try and connect into a deeper aspect of you, it's going to be like, deforming and warped and. And it's not going to be able to move right down into the fullness of your channel.
Am I perfect at this? Absolutely not. I've been deconditioning my own sexual trauma for 15 plus years, you know, and every time I think I've found the next layer, there's another layer. And I'm like, how deep does this onion go, man? Like, I'm tired.
And yet there's such a reverence in it because the more we work with the sacral chakra, just like we would work with the heart chakra or the third eye chakra, like you said, the more of that totality of ourselves that.
[00:34:48] Speaker A: We can access, it offers a better interface to the world. Really?
[00:34:53] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
[00:34:56] Speaker A: What is the spiritual role of sex and how does it differ for LGBTQ people compared to heterosexual people?
[00:35:05] Speaker B: Well, can you say the question again? I got like, weirdly excited by the question and then just didn't listen.
[00:35:09] Speaker A: Okay, all right, we'll do that again.
What is the spiritual role of sex and how does it differ for LGBTQ people compared to heterosexual people?
[00:35:22] Speaker B: Okay, I'd be really interested maybe once I've sort of said my piece. If you feel like sharing your perspective on this, too? Only if you feel comfortable, of course.
The first thing I would say is that it's deeply individual to every person. There's no one size fits all. There's no one way is the right way. And even if we're talking about the LGBTQ community, you know, the way that I express this and the way I feel about this is not going to be the same as the guy next to me or the girl next to me. Right. So the lie is that your sexual energy is somehow taking you away from your spirituality. I'm going to call that the lie that is bad conditioning, in my opinion. Okay, so I've already established that when we were talking in the previous answer.
But the consequence of that lie is that you believe that part of you, part of the very energy that you were birthed from, sex energy you wouldn't exist without it, is somehow anti God and away from source.
Just logically speaking, does that make sense?
[00:36:32] Speaker A: Not in the least. Not in the least. It's a Victorian sensibility that needs to be abolished. Really?
[00:36:37] Speaker B: It's so illogical, and yet it's run our world when we talk about religious conditioning.
[00:36:43] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:36:44] Speaker B: And when we start to get curious about, well, what's on the other side of that, like, what is in this gap between sex and spirit and how can they come together? That is a really empowering journey.
And for me, especially as somebody who's really dappled with tantra and all of this, I see sex and sexuality as the most beautiful way to experience more of just my fullness of who I am as a soul. And it's the equivalent of being in a really deep meditation and being, like, so Zen and one with the universe. And if anyone listening has had those gleaming moments where you're like, oh, that was a deep one, you know, and it's like that. And it can be like that in. Even in sex and sexuality. And, yes, I have had experiences like that where I felt like the petals of the flower and the bush and the stamen of the flower and the stem and the leaves. And that is. That was a very tantric, you could say, or deeply spiritual sexual experience. And that's what really I'm seeking. You know, maybe I'm an old soul or something, and I'm like, I want. I want something deeper right within my sex life. But it can be such a beautiful way to interact with another individual within their divinity as well, because I feel like sex. And, yes, I'm talking from a gay man's perspective, but sex has Been stripped back to such a. Like, to such a superficial aspect of what it truly can be. Yeah. And I do feel like this is likely the case for all humans, but it's especially the case in the. In the LGBTQ+ community, where the. We're really obsessed with the body still. We're really obsessed with sexual attraction. We're really obsessed with sexual performance. Yeah. And all of those things are big things. They're important things. That's the baseline layer of our human sexual attraction. We need it. And it goes so much deeper than that, I think. And maybe this is controversial to say, but I'm going to say it anyway. I think that the divine feminine holds the softening of the heart required to allow us to access deeper aspects of our sexual energy that go beyond just the body, for example, that go beyond just desire.
And especially in the gay men, male men who love men. Well, that's an interesting sexual dynamic, isn't it? Because the. The divine feminine is there within everyone. We're all got both, but there's no actual. There's no women that are holding that in terms of their physical body. And a lot of. There's a lot of masculinity, wounds and stuff within men. So we're all like, no, I can't be feminine because that makes me a. Or whatever. Whatever it is. So we kind of block the divine feminine within us. And I've seen the way that. That has kind of hypersexualized the community. It's hypersexualizing the gay male community, and it's like, oh, I can relate to everyone on that hypersexualized level, but I don't know how to relate to people from the heart, which is such a shame.
And in many ways, a lot of the stereotypes are true, I would say, which does kind of feel like I'm backstabbing my community. But I do think it's true that. That a lot of gay men especially have. We don't know how to. How to meet each other in a deeper way. And that's where I feel like the irony is that just as all people, there's so many people can be quite spiritual, a lot of gay men are quite spiritual as well. And maybe that is a shock because, oh, religion. We pushed away from religion and became atheists because religion hates gay people or LGBT people historically. But I haven't seen that. I've seen that, actually. There's still a lot of queer humans out there that really want to explore their sexuality, and it doesn't matter if you're Gay, straight or otherwise, you are.
You are a soul being. Yeah. So your sexual preference, it really doesn't impact that. It doesn't impact your ability to utilize the magic of sexuality and your sexual energy to essentially come closer to your full spirituality. And that doesn't even have to be in this tantric temple or something like that. It could just be in your own meditation practice, letting us. Letting your focus go all the way up and all the way down and. Yeah. Into your sex center as well. So. And just being curious about that in a meditative place. So it is individual to everyone. Some people, like me, want to take it all the way into these, like, beautiful tantric sexual experiences. And if. And, you know, other people might not want that, and they don't have to want that, but I do think for all of us, it is so. It's so available to us. Literally, my. My team are, like, nodding. They're like, yes, yes. It's so available to us.
[00:41:55] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Well, the bottom line is love is love, you know? Right. And it's expressing itself regardless of any of the opinions we put upon it.
[00:42:04] Speaker B: There's this beautiful artist. His name is. I think it's Ziggy something. I really should know His. The full name. Australian artist. He's great. And he, in one of his lyrics, says, if love isn't expressed through us, then where does it go? And that really hit me, and I think it really softens and brings more yummy love into sex as an expression of love.
[00:42:30] Speaker A: Are there spirits or divine beings that govern the LGBTQ community and sexuality? And can they work with traditional beings of sex and sexuality, or are they specific beings more aligned with LGBTQ experiences?
[00:42:48] Speaker B: I love this question. I'm very aware that I didn't get to hear about your take on sex.
[00:42:54] Speaker A: We'll circle back to that.
[00:42:55] Speaker B: So we'll circle back to that. Okay. So I've never, ever considered this question before.
[00:43:00] Speaker A: So I thought you would have had connections with, like, beings in different levels.
[00:43:03] Speaker B: And I thought I better not in the. I have. I have worked with the ancestry of men who love men, but I've never worked with any beings specifically. So do you mind if I just open up and see?
[00:43:16] Speaker A: Yeah, go for it.
[00:43:18] Speaker B: Because I don't know off the top of my head.
Cool. I'm so chuffed about this.
This is interesting. I'm seeing a lot of pantheon that's coming through specifically, and there's no cultural lineage either. So what I've got is isis, Hecate, Aphrodite, Ra. You see the flavor There, there's a lot of it's pantheon stuff. It's, it's. It's gods, goddesses of antiquity that seem to be coming through a lot in, that want to make themselves known to me about the answer to your question.
[00:43:57] Speaker A: We might have to talk about this one at another time then. Once you've had some more contact.
[00:44:00] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. But I do, I do, if I may say that what came through from my own team was that there's no one specific deity or God or being that you should be working with if you're curious about working with. So let's say you're an LGBTQ person listening to this and you're like, oh, I really feel the juice in that question. And it would be really nourishing for me to work with within my own abilities to connect with some sort of deity or being that supports me as a queer individual.
Well, what I'm hearing from my team is that you can still just work with anyone, because none of them, none of them, when we're talking about angels, galactic beings or guides or pantheon, none of them are siloed in terms of their sexuality. They're so beyond that. You know, it's that any of them can work with you and will work with you, but the reason that the pantheon came is because they're human. They've. Their expression is human in a way. So if you take, for example, Isis, this Egyptian, you know, deity, there's a humanism that we.
The symbol, the form, the energy, there's a very tangible human aspect to that. So they. Anything that was in a human body or that has been represented symbolically as human in some way, even if it's half human, half bird or whatever, they're powerful beings to work with around sexuality because they've been in a form, they've been in sexual form. If you move into the Galactics or the angels, you know, they're not in. They're not intangible human physical bodies that experience sexuality in the way that we do. So it's less. It's. Their focus is less about the full, true mechanics of human sexuality. And what you'll get from the angels is, it's all love, baby. Because they don't exist in any polarity. The sex is. It's not the same. It's already unified.
[00:46:06] Speaker A: Okay, so circling back to my answer that question. Yeah. So what is the spiritual role of sex and how does it differ compared to heterosexual people? I actually don't think it differs, personally. I think that it's a matter of focusing on whatever. How could you say it? It's like when you tune into your sexuality, there is no barriers, and you connect deeply to yourself and your body's needs. Sometimes your body's needs might be different to what you rationally think they are, and to. For the body to feel fulfilled. And when you are with a partner that understands that it's just beauty and love is what is expressed.
[00:46:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I hear you. There's such a beautiful surrender of the egoic need to control within that.
[00:46:50] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. LGBT people are becoming more visible and open across the world. How do you feel there is a spiritual component to this cultural shift? And where do you see it going?
[00:47:01] Speaker B: Yeah, I think you see a lot of this with the transgender issues that are taking place. And I want to be pretty categorical that transgender rights and issues aren't the same as just gay rights and issues.
So we often just go, oh, it's one long acronym, and they're all the same, but they're actually not. You know, the experience of a transgender person is very different to the experience of me, who is a cisgendered gay men. So I'm just putting that out there that I am not transgender, and I don't want to speak on behalf of that community, but what I can speak is from. Is my perspective of what I'm seeing, and I'm. I think it would be a potent discussion to utilize that to answer your question. But, you know, there's a lot of polarity, arguments and fighting about transgender issues right now and transgender rights. And I'm not going to say one is right or wrong, but energetically, what's happening is. Or spiritually, what's happening is we are moving further and further away from the gender binary. And I'm talking about spiritually from the gender binary, really describing who we are as an egoic individual. So what the. What I mean by that is I'm a man, and I'm a blokey man, and this means I have this role in life, this job in life. These. This is what the parameters that I must fit into. This is how I define myself. But also what that is is it's. You're defining yourself by what you're not.
I am not a woman. I am not this. I am not that. I am not. I don't do that work. I don't wear those clothes. So therefore, I am this thing.
And what spirit is doing is. It's taking us away from defining ourselves by what we're not. Because, as I said in the beginning, where everything.
So if we are to truly understand and experience our soulfulness, our fifth dimensional, our sixth, you know, the fullness of our soul. Then at some point we're going to have to get over the gender hang up thing. And that's really hard when you're in a physical, sexualized body that differs from the other sex in this real. In this world. And it's almost like boss level challenge to be able to be in a physical body that is polarized male for me and to accept that my, the fullness of my soul is actually just non, non polarized. It's male, female, and everything. And everything in between. Yeah. Because it's a soul.
And the transgender issue is actually, it's. It's essentially bringing that to the forefront of our awareness. And transgender souls are brave us souls that are doing the work to, to call it out, to make us go, hang on, how do we relate to gender? How do we want to relate to gender? Because if you're talking about the Andromedan Council girl, they aren't gendered.
They aren't. You know, if I'm, if I'm working with the Pleiadians, and actually Pleiadians are gendered, but if I'm working with the angelic soul or these high galactic beings, the way that they relate to gender is like not the same at all. And if we're talking about angel like, okay, you've got Archangel Michael, who is a man, because we've decided that the energy signature of Archangel Michael is masculine, but actually Archangel Michael is not in form. Archangel Michael is an angel soul.
There's no gender.
[00:50:49] Speaker A: Okay. Historically, nudity has been associated with spiritual practices, such as magical rites performed by witches. Is there a spiritual aspect to nudity that modern society has overlooked or lost?
[00:51:01] Speaker B: I'd be curious to see what your perspective of this is as well.
[00:51:04] Speaker A: Well, do you mind if I go first then?
[00:51:06] Speaker B: I'd love that.
[00:51:07] Speaker A: I think that the clothing aspect, I mean, to be honest, I'd love to run around nude all the time, but I'd get arrested.
[00:51:14] Speaker B: Yeah. Just maybe.
[00:51:15] Speaker A: But I found being in, say, alternative communities in the past, whenever we've had nudity events, you just feel more free.
Right. And it's like the, the story that the clothing puts on you is gone. And people are generally more respectful and more honest.
[00:51:35] Speaker B: Yeah, it's the great equalizer, isn't it?
Yeah. Because if you're not wearing those clothes and there's no way that you can sort of this person has this much money or this person doesn't or.
Yeah. I. So for context, I'm the owner of Men's New Joker Canberra. And although I live in the Sunshine coast now, I still own that and I have teachers that work for me back in Canberra. So I'm very well versed in being naked around other people in very compromised and vulnerable yoga poses. Anyone know Happy baby? Well, imagine doing that naked. So I completely agree with you. You know, we were born naked and everything that we are wearing is an embellishment. Nothing that we're wearing is us, it's just embellishments. And at the end of the day your, your body is always going to be naked and animals are naked all the time. But you know, we, again, it's conditioning. We've got this conditioning and shame around our body and sexualization as well. So I, I see, I do see it as a great equalizer and, and my experience has absolutely matched yours. You know that if I was going to some form of spiritual event and it was naked, then who cares if you're wearing the great mala beads from India and the beautiful shawl that's made out of, I don't know, Ethiopian something. You know, all of these things that we. It's almost like you can't hide, you can't create a character. It's just you, it's you with all of the body hair, all of the freckles, moles, warts, everything. And guess what? Everyone else in the room has the same things.
And you realize how perfectly variable we are as human bodies, which just softens your experience of being in a body.
[00:53:33] Speaker A: Yeah, there's a lot of truth to it. The naked form.
[00:53:36] Speaker B: Right.
[00:53:38] Speaker A: What advice would you give to individuals hesitant about exploring their, exploring their own spiritual or sexual identities?
[00:53:45] Speaker B: I would say really move into the fear. What are you afraid of?
What are you afraid of being revealed to you or seen and meet that fear with a very curious and loving heart. And if you need to get support, get help from me or teachers or just take those little leaps to push your comfort zone a little bit. I think a really fun example of this is, you know how they do like charity fund runs and fundraisers that are nude swim on the winter solstice in Hobart or 5k naked to run, I don't know, around the bush yet to raise money. These are really great ways that are very non threatening, very fun, activity based, human in nature ways that you can start to explore just even nudity, let alone sexuality.
Because important part, just because it's nude doesn't mean it's sexual. Yeah. And that's A really important piece. Sorry, there's a dog out there doing its thing. I don't know what it's doing. Okay, it stopped. I reckon they're really great ways just to, you know, go. Just take a. Take a leap. Take a little bit of a leap.
[00:55:04] Speaker A: Excellent. All right, so we're coming towards the end of the podcast. Andreas, how would people find you?
[00:55:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm on. I'm on all of the things. So if you search for Andreas Embodiment, that's on TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, I'll come up there. Andreas Embodiment. And if anyone's interested, I have a psychic protection guide. It's like a free guide that you can download, and it basically, it covers one of the biggest fears I see, which is I'm afraid that I'm gonna get attacked by a demon or find an entity attachment in my spiritual exploration, and then that's gonna ruin everything, and that's really scary. I. I get that. So I put everything I know in this free little PDF guide that people can grab off my website if they want some help with that.
[00:55:48] Speaker A: Brilliant. Okay, I'll put that link down in the show notes and I'll thank you so much for coming on and sharing your wisdom, your understanding of tantra, sexuality, and, yeah, basically connecting to your heart and authentic life.
[00:56:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Thank you so much. It's. It's been a really interesting chat, and you've. You've thrown some great curveball questions my way, which was really cool. So I appreciate.
[00:56:08] Speaker A: Excellent. Thank you. All right, I'll just say goodbye to listeners.
That was a great episode with Andreas. I really enjoyed everything that he shared about his understanding of spirituality, sexuality, psychic ability, and how that all interrelates. If you've enjoyed today's show, please reach out to Andreas on his website in the links in the show notes. And if you've enjoyed today's show, please like and subscribe. It's free. And also, if you're on a podcast app, give us five stars and share it to a friend. It'd be really appreciated. That way more people get to hear these good conversations. Thank you so much for listening. Until next episode, it's bye for now.
