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[00:00:00] Speaker A: I just work with holding them through that process that is completely foreign to them, that they have no fucking concept of. And it's just like, and any of my clients really go and through that process, and then now they just go, oh, yeah, cool. All right, let's go.
[00:01:04] Speaker B: Welcome to supernormalize, the podcast, where we challenge the conventional break boundaries and normalize the seemingly supernatural. Join me, CJ Barnaby, in the liminalist space to explore less charted realms of existence and to unravel the mysteries of life experience. Each episode, I'm blessed with the opportunity to talk to regular people from across the world, where they openly share their understanding and wisdom in service to others. If you're looking to upgrade your life, you've come to the right place. Be sure to like and subscribe, and I'll bring you great transforming conversations each week. My treasured viewers and listeners. If you have a life story or healing modality or unique knowledge that you'd love to share, reach out to me at supernormalizedroton meredith. Let's together embrace acceptance of the supernatural and unusual. What it really is completely normal.
[00:01:55] Speaker C: Today on supernormalized, we have imogen Hobbes. Imogen is a lovely being who has actually spent the time on herself discovering her shamanic abilities and uses those abilities to assist men in coping with struggles that they have themselves in life. She does so through her coaching, and she does that one on one. She does it in groups. And, yeah, she's a power. Definitely a power when it comes to the way she explains what she does. It's such a really, really great interview. I'm sure you'll enjoy it as much as I did. So on with the show.
Welcome to supernormalized. Imogen Hobbs from change channel coaching.
Imogen, you've had quite a big story for yourself with your life, and it turned you into a counselor. And at this point in time, you're a counselor mainly of men.
[00:02:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Hi, CJ. Thanks for having me on. So I'm a men's empowerment coach, which.
[00:03:05] Speaker D: I think is a super important distinction because what I'm working towards with men at the moment is really helping them to transcend the limitations and the wounding so that they can take action and be really powerful out in the world. But I guess to your question of what the story is and how I got here really speaks to transcending that wounding for myself. And I'm looking at now, you know, how does the story empower the person rather than does the story make the person? And that feels like a really interesting distinction for me. So I'll talk to it. Looking back from where I am now and the understanding that I have now, which looks like I spent a long time reacting to conditioning that I'd experienced, I'd either inherited or grown up with, and experienced poverty and trauma and abuse and ostracism and bullying. And so I spent my whole life responding to that or reacting to it, rather. And then my stress response is to fight. And so I would just keep fighting going on and pulling myself forward.
[00:04:30] Speaker A: And so.
[00:04:33] Speaker D: As within, so without, I didn't feel like I belonged in myself and I didn't understand how I fit. And so I created a life around me that meant that I was ostracized, an outcast, or that that was what I felt. Which then translated to me living in very remote communities, doing very isolated jobs, and putting myself into these really harsh conditions over and over and over again, which meant that I had to keep surviving and keep fighting, and the world would keep breaking down around me, and then I would have to keep putting the pieces back together and slowly building myself forward again.
[00:05:13] Speaker A: And it led to a lot of.
[00:05:15] Speaker D: Different jobs, which always inevitably left me feeling like I was behind the game, like I couldn't keep up, and that I ultimately would end up feeling bored, because I am good at putting my mind to things and figuring out how they work. I'm a problem solver by nature. That's why I work as a coach.
[00:05:38] Speaker A: And that's why I work in the.
[00:05:39] Speaker D: Way that I do, because I help other people to solve their problems.
But I would ultimately get to this point where I was bored and I didn't know how to fix my own problem.
And then a redundancy and a series of other events that happened within three.
[00:05:57] Speaker A: Weeks of each other led to my.
[00:05:59] Speaker D: Life breaking down and me realizing that I really needed to find out, or choosing, rather, that I really needed to find out what my passion was, which led me down a long road of self discovery and self healing and some trainings that I never thought that I would end up in or be attracted to. And that led me to opening up to my own spirituality, which I'd had quite an aversion to throughout my life, or an aversion to the spiritual community and what that, you know, the spiritual community.
[00:06:35] Speaker C: The crystal liquors.
[00:06:36] Speaker A: The crystal liquors, yup.
[00:06:40] Speaker D: I was being wary of my language, but I.
[00:06:45] Speaker A: But yes, and a fierce aversion to.
[00:06:48] Speaker D: Crushed velvet and that whole everything that that entailed.
[00:06:54] Speaker A: And so spirituality had always been far.
[00:06:58] Speaker D: Away from me, but I was always intuitive and I'd always shunned that. So it's been a real awakening for myself. And then this reconciliation of what does it look like to operate in a spiritual capacity that doesn't have to fit.
[00:07:18] Speaker A: Under the spiritual umbrella?
[00:07:21] Speaker D: Because by nature I'm very practical, I'm very effective and efficient, and that whole love, light and rainbows thing just doesn't work for me. But how do we understand ourselves to be able to operate in that spiritual nature that is true to us? And then my primary target, avatar at the moment, is tradies and minors. And so it's complex in that. How do we break through into that community and to those men and not be terrifying to them? By saying, I'm spiritual and I practice in a spiritual way, but I work with ancestral trauma and understanding what we've been preconditioned with so that we can.
[00:08:14] Speaker A: Clear all of that out.
[00:08:15] Speaker D: And so now there's this whole other complexity with it coming through, of how do I practice in a spiritual way that is true to my nature with people who have an aversion to that, which is me bringing out that, that piece of myself and being mirrored back in my clients.
[00:08:34] Speaker C: That must be quite a task to do that. I mean, how do we bridge that? How do you bridge that gap by communicating to people that aren't ready for this sort of stuff? Cause I mean, for a lot of people, when soon as they hear stuff like this, they shut down, right? Because they're like, that's bloody weird stuff. You know what I mean?
[00:08:52] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, definitely. And men will run for the hills as well. When you start to, you know, like, often they're like, nah, not spiritual. Girls get them away, you know, so, and I get it, I get it because that was me, I would run too.
But so in, in that I would speak to, as we have those conversations and as we have those, like, discovery calls, and I get a feel for what it is that they're struggling with.
I would reflect it back to them in their patterns that are showing up in their life. So it starts to get them in a place where they understand how it's showing up in their life. They can relate to that. And then I start to pull it back to, well, what did your parents experience? And what did you know, like, what did their parents experience? Like, what do you know of your grandparents? And then we start to look at, well, if it didn't start with your parents and it didn't start with your grandparents, it likely didn't start with your great grandparents. So how far back does that go? And they get really interested at that point because they're like, oh, yeah. And then. Right, yeah. Because grandpa was, you know, like, really shut down and didn't show love. But then the other thing is that I work with men who have come out of relationships with narcissistic or manipulative ex partners, and that's my primary focus, and we're recalibrating that trust in that space. So for them, I would then flip it on also, well, what was your relationship like with your mother?
And what was your relationship like with your sister? And how did you learn how to get love? And I've got a new client at the moment, and he just said, well, me and my sister used to fight all of the time, and mum was quite detached. And so I'm like, well, you know, then we would look at, well, how does your current relationship or your one you've just come out of reflect those patterns? And at that point, generally they're like, f.
[00:11:05] Speaker C: Yeah, that's a genuine, proper response, too.
[00:11:08] Speaker A: I mean, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we go, well, what was your, what was your parents relationship like? You know, like, how did they show love to each other? And. And in that way, we can pull it back into that generational inheritance space, which now they're invested in, now they're interested in, and now they are absolutely invested in. I have to change this, which is QD. Excellent, because we can, and we can clear the conditioning and we can go into that and we can look at, you know, what does that inheritance look like? How many generations back does it go? And we can get all that information and that, that's the thing that I think challenges the mind. But now they're invested in it in a way that makes it very approachable for them.
[00:12:02] Speaker C: Well, I think if, you know, you tell a man that says something that can be fixed, they're going to be like, well, how I'm going to try and fix that, you know, that's great. That's great. Okay, so what, what inspired you to create change channel and shift your focus towards empowering men specifically?
[00:12:21] Speaker A: Good question.
So, as I said earlier, I went on that mission to figure out what my passion was. I never set out to be a coach, and in some of the training that I've done, one of my mentors said to me, this would be good if you wanted to be a healer. And I was like, I'm not a healer, actually. That's definitely not me. Not spiritual, and I'm not a healer.
But in that I gave myself a year in the end to really just focus on healing myself, and change channel just evolved in that space. So I started out by, I was doing all of this work, and my cousin was watching me and was really interested and quite stuck at the time. And so I said, well, I could work with you, and we could just see what happens. And so I started out by just doing one session a week with my cousin, and then it eventuated from there. It took a little while for the name to drop in, but one day it was just like CCC change channel coaching. And I was like, oh, okay, all right, let's go there.
And so change channel evolved from that point.
[00:13:38] Speaker C: Nice.
[00:13:39] Speaker A: And then it just kept expanding on its own.
But then I. I worked really hard to build that up, and I worked with women for a really long time. And then just this year, I went on a vision quest to Mongolia.
And I also helped facilitate. I can see your question.
I also helped facilitate a shamanic gathering right before that trip. And it just came through that I had this really, I have this really innate ability to identify men who have intuitive capabilities but don't want to speak about it. Like the silent type that, you know, have a lot going on. You can kind of see it, but they don't say anything, and everything's okay all the time. And I. And so I started to hone in on that, and I got a client from that, and, and then another 112 hours later, it was like they just sort of started coming in. And then I came back from Mongolia and went, I have to change everything.
I have to work with men. This is my calling. This is transcending that wounding of what I'd experienced when I was young and the traumas and the abuse that I'd gone through. And then also some of the jobs that I'd been in, which is like industrial experience on a mine site, you know, working as by myself with a requirement that I would spend 6 hours a day in the field talking to workgroups of men. And so I was the person that they didn't want. I was, one, I was female, and two, I was safety.
And so, yeah, so I spent. I hated me. Yeah. Without ever knowing me. And they had this preconceived idea. And so over three years, I gained the trust of a lot of them, and they would then I became the person that they would talk to about the breakdowns in their relationships and their struggles and the things that they were suffering with and, you know, how they were struggling with their. With their partners and things like that. And after Mongolia, I just went, oh, my God. Like it. All of a sudden, so many parts of my life and these, you know, things that I'd fought my way through clicked into place and I could see why they'd happened and what they set me up for.
And so that's how I ended up working with men.
[00:16:22] Speaker C: Wow, that's cool. And you went to Mongolia with Heather?
[00:16:26] Speaker A: I did go to Mongolia with Heather.
[00:16:28] Speaker C: Awesome. I wanted to do that too, but didn't come around that way, so. Yeah, very cool. Yeah, yeah. So what initially drew you to shamanic practices? Because, I mean, like you were saying before, not a spiritual person at all, and all of a sudden this stuff starts appearing around you in your life.
Was there something that prompted that?
[00:16:52] Speaker A: Yep.
A very dramatic relationship breakdown led me to working with, as we just spoke about Heather as my coach and as my healer to recover from that. And I worked with her for about a year and then I went into this massive redundancy breakdown, life fall apart piece. And in that year of healing, I went to one of her trainings at the start of the year.
And that was great. And it was very, you know, like, scientific and understanding how we function and creating routine. And so I took a lot of that and I implemented it into my life religiously.
And then she said to me, and I was also working with an inner child healer for ten months that year, like, really intensely.
And so Heather said to me, I'm doing this training, beginner shamanic medicine training. Do you want to come? And I said, absolutely not. I'm not interested. I'm not spiritual. No, thank you. You can keep that.
And then through the inner child work, I just had this.
I have to go to that.
And I had no idea why. So a week out, I said, I'm coming. And I drove 13 hours from Mackay to Mount Tambourine and I turned up at this training and I had no idea what it was going to entail at all. I had. I just turned up and was like, well, I'm here.
And that was the beginning. And then I came away from that intensive two day training and I went home and I practiced every single day for a month religiously. And I would sit for 45 minutes to an hour almost every single day with my guides and in this space. And then a month later, there was an intermediate training and I was like, I'm coming. I'll be there. And so I did the drive again and I turned up and I was like. And that was the one where she said, if you're going to be a healer. This is a really good training for that. And I was like, no, this is just personal use only, but I need to know more.
[00:19:20] Speaker C: So you, you were dragged into it by something, but yeah, it was driving you. That's pretty cool.
[00:19:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:29] Speaker C: Can you describe a pivotal moment of or experience during your training that significantly impacted your understanding of shamanism?
[00:19:42] Speaker A: I think all of it.
And for me, the way that the information was delivered as well. So I never set out for shamanism per se, but the way that that training is run and the way that Heather delivers that information is so practical and pragmatic and grounded that it didn't feel spiritual, it just felt necessary.
And I think in the intermediate training, we did a merge or a semi merge with guides and did a drum healing.
And that would be two of the most terrifying things for me ever. Like, I just, you know, it felt like the feeling of standing on a stage and talking in that fear. I was like, a, I'm not musical, b, I don't know how to drum and c, this feels like I'm put on the spot and I have to perform here.
But it just happened.
And the things that I felt and the things that I expressed to the person that I worked with afterwards, he was, I was like, I felt this energy here and I, you know, that's, that was weird for me at the time as well, to be like, I felt energy in places and I was drawn to this and whatever, and he was just like, this is what I experienced and it was the same.
And I went, fuck, this is really something like, what is going on?
[00:21:17] Speaker C: Yeah. I'm not the only widow in the world.
Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
[00:21:23] Speaker A: I think that that would probably be one of the moments that really changed it for me because it was like something else was going on that I couldn't, couldn't make up. Oh, look, I know, but I also couldn't understand.
[00:21:36] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I did my practice, my, my learnings with Heather, we were going through getting all our guides and everything went to the upper world for me. And she said, you don't know who your upper world, you know, main being is going to be. And I was like, oh, yeah, okay, whatever. We'll see what happens. And I got mine and I was like, no, I can't have this. This is not right. It's just totally weird. And I pulled out a big, like, fire hose and hosed them away with, you know, intense white light and, and they just sort of faded away and then they came back again and I was like, okay. And then later on, I went and looked up who that person represents, and I was like, oh, my God, that's actually goddess.
[00:22:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:19] Speaker C: He's like, whoa, that's a face of God. It, like, in an obvious way. And it's like, wow, that's cool.
[00:22:26] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. It makes it really, you know, like, there's so many people that cut this. I've seen people come back and they're like, I think Jesus is on my team.
Is that. I think I have Jesus on my team now. I'm not religious. Like, what is that?
[00:22:44] Speaker C: That's what happens, right? Because it's like, it's nothing what you expect at all, you know?
[00:22:49] Speaker A: No, it's all the energy.
[00:22:50] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah.
In what ways do you integrate your shamanic practices into your coaching at change channel? And how do they benefit the men you work with?
[00:23:02] Speaker A: Good question.
So I function in a way that is, I coach through lived experience, so I understand how it works for other people because I've done it on myself. So I practice, and my practice has evolved exponentially over the time that I've been since I first did that training.
But I practice these things, and I'm working on clearing out the ancestral line for myself. And I sit with guides, my guides, on a regular basis, and I do a lot of work in that way. And so when I'm working with the men that I. That I work with at the moment, we look at what's showing up. Where is it showing up?
And then I'll put them into a space of, you know, just shut down your eyes and breathe. And we just bring them into their body. And then I just walk them through a process of. This is going to feel strange. And I want you to say, like, the first thing that comes to mind, and it doesn't need to be rational, and you don't need to understand it. But, you know, like, if you were thinking about this, how many generations back does it go? And they would be like, 14.
How could I know that? Or, you know, I would say, what does this.
What does it feel like it relates to? Can you get any understanding of a situation? And they might say, there was a flood, there's heaps of water. What does that mean? And you're like, yep, just stay with it. It's okay. Just keep telling me, like, anything that's coming up. So I just work with holding them through that process that is completely foreign to them, that they have no fucking concept of. And it's just like. And any of my clients really go and through that process. And then now they just go, oh, yeah, cool. All right, let's go. You know, but in the first, in the first instance, they're always like. And they open their eyes a lot because men want to rationalize things and they want to be able to, you know, like, understand the practicality of it. And when we're working with shamanism and our guides and things, it's nonlinear, it's non ordinary reality, and there is no rational way of being able to understand it, I don't think. And so it's really helping them and just guiding them on a journey to let their mind relax a little bit, which is for a lot of men that I work with really hard because they're in a state of survival often.
[00:25:50] Speaker C: Yeah, right, right. Yeah. That actually ties into this next question I had for you, which is, how does your background in engineering and, say, safety, um, from working in, you know, the industry, influence your coaching approach with clients within high stress professions? So I think we pretty much answered that then.
Um, yeah.
[00:26:11] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:26:12] Speaker C: So what are some common internal battles you see among men that you work with? Because, I mean, I I know as a man myself in the past when I was in confusing relationships.
And you feel like you got no one to talk to at all.
Yeah.
The main battle is actually, I think, for myself, is even being vulnerable enough to even say that you're actually in pain.
[00:26:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah. And I see it a lot, and I think that the uniqueness that I offer in that space is that because I've done a lot of work, I'm not reacting to them. So I don't see the people who hurt me in those people, if that makes sense.
And that's really important. And it's really important. And I'm conscious all of the time about creating a really safe environment for them to operate in. So if I start a conversation with someone who's followed me and they go, oh, I just think you're really hot. And that's their response because that's the reason why they followed me. I go, cool. So what else is going on in your life? Like, for me, that's not an issue and it's not something to focus on, but that's the wall that we have to break down because that's so, it's, you know, like Tinder culture and things like that are so normalized and we've, and we've, and they're functioning on this space to, they don't really know how to connect with women because they don't really know how to connect with themselves. And so it's creating this really safe environment because what I see is that. And to answer your question, they're all looking for a relationship. They're all looking for connection, and they all feel lost inside.
[00:28:10] Speaker C: That's tough.
[00:28:13] Speaker A: It is.
But I guess I'm not here to feel sorry for people.
[00:28:19] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:28:20] Speaker A: And so I also don't look at how hard that must be. What I look at is what are we going to do with it? And where are we going to move you to? Like, how are we going to get you from this position of stuck in the mud and feeling like you're bouncing along at the bottom of the deepest, darkest hole you've ever been in to climbing out? Because what I see is that men see the problem and how big it is, but not without the understanding of how to get out of it and how to navigate it. And so what I offer is the perspective and the safety, because I don't believe that all healing for men needs to happen with men to men, because I think, and I believe that the original safe space for men is with women because men were birthed from women. And if we look at, you know, rites of passage and things like that, often men were with the mother until they were seven, and then they were taken away with the men to learn how to fight and go through that rite of passage. And so we've lost that completely. And there is no rite of passage for men, but also there is no safety in women anymore. And relationships are all confucled.
And so I want to help them to recalibrate that understanding of how to connect with themselves, but also how to have really respectful interaction with the opposite sex so that then when they're out there in the world, that's what they're looking for and that's what they're recreating.
[00:30:05] Speaker C: Yeah. That actually changed their attraction profile as well. So they'll actually attract more healthy relationships as well.
[00:30:12] Speaker A: This is what we want.
[00:30:14] Speaker C: Yes.
In your view, what role does emotional resilience play in achieving personal success?
[00:30:24] Speaker A: Everything.
What I'm working with is creating emotional independence.
[00:30:33] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:30:34] Speaker A: Which is emotional resilience for sure.
And the reason I call it emotional independence or the reason why I want to target that in particular is because a lot of us are reacting to or creating a space where we are anchoring our emotions in someone else and making them responsible for it. So that would look like I'm not happy. So I need to go and find a partner, then that'll make me happy and I'll be able to find happiness, which means that now I've made this person responsible for my happiness. So if that person's having a bad day, then I'm having a really bad day. But we're out there in the world creating these relationships where we're making other people responsible for our emotions all of the time. And what I see in men is that they don't understand how to love themselves. They don't understand how to recalibrate the feminine aspect of themselves. And so they're constantly anchoring that in other people, which throws everyone into chaos, because outsourcing, and it's no accountability. So what we're working on is creating emotional independence, which is, this is my emotion. This is how I am fulfilling that and how I am topping myself up and holding myself or nurturing myself through that need. So that then my interaction with these people is whole and from a place of stability, and they can't change my state of being or, you know, make me anything, because I'm not outsourcing that emotion.
[00:32:21] Speaker C: I think we've all probably been, you know, in that awful pattern in the past ourselves, where we've all done that, outsourced all of our joy and happiness to somebody else, and it never worked out. Well.
[00:32:36] Speaker A: No, it didn't. And, yes, we have.
Yep, for sure.
[00:32:43] Speaker C: Can you describe a particularly impactful moment that you've experienced while guiding someone through their challenges without boxing them?
[00:32:55] Speaker A: Yep.
I've had a few.
I've had quite a few, actually, but one that, the one that stands out the most would be, I have a female client that I've been working with. And in her second session, we realized she's trying to buy a house.
And we realized that the outlook for the house that she was trying to buy was conditioning from her parents. So we stripped that back, and we went, well, what is it that you actually want? And it was a totally different thing. So we wrote that down.
What exactly was what she was looking for.
A week later, the house of her dreams jumped on the market. A week later, it went unconditional, and she'd bought it.
[00:33:43] Speaker C: Wow.
Everything clicked into place because she was actually attuned to what she wanted.
[00:33:50] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. And we just. It was just this moment of, you know, and we're all doing it. It's that product of your conditioning. We're all just functioning in that reactive state constantly. And so it was like, okay, well, hang on a minute. Let's just put on the brakes and redefine what this is and actually acknowledge what it is that you want.
And then that automatically started automatically came into her realm. And it wasn't just that it was like, it went on the market. We did a whole bunch of processes to make sure that, like, changing the language around it being hers and it going through. And she reached out and it just was this really beautiful, intuitive process that unfolded that meant that she got selected because she wrote them a letter and all sorts of things like, you know, got approved or accepted the offer got accepted through this process that we were navigating. That was just like, wow, this is only five weeks into us working together, and you just bought a house. Like, that's pretty outstanding.
[00:35:05] Speaker C: Yeah, that's amazing.
[00:35:06] Speaker A: Amazing.
[00:35:08] Speaker C: We were talking before about the struggles that men go through, and you were saying that one of the major things that men are looking for is connection and relationship. Is there any commonality to the struggles that they go through that you've seen? Because you've probably seen a lot of people by now, and you can go, okay, so most people are doing this, this and this. You know what I mean? So what are you seeing out there? That's the main thing that's actually happened to our. To the. To the men in society nowadays.
[00:35:38] Speaker A: Yeah, it really comes back to conditioning, I think. So it's the low self worth. It's the thought. The one of the most common threads, actually, would be the thought pattern that says there's other people out there that are worse off than me, so I'll keep quiet.
And we can't fix anything if we don't know that it exists.
But also, we're each in our own reality and our own experience, and what anyone else is going through is none of your business, and it's not your responsibility. And so we're looking at, how do we start to open that space so that men are safe to come out and say, I'm not okay.
But what I notice is that because I target men who are tradies, who are working in the mines, or who are in, you know, predominantly all male environments.
Men want to be strong and want to know that the man standing next to them is reliable. And so if they open their mouth and say, I'm not okay, or have a breakdown, it puts a rift or a fracture in the trust of the work group because of the way that men function. You know, like, it's that warrior mindset that we don't actively notice that we're operating in.
And so it forms this space of, I have to hold it in, I have to suppress it, because there isn't an avenue here for me to let it out.
That would be the most common theme that I see.
[00:37:37] Speaker C: Okay.
What advice would you give to men who are struggling and to seek help for their inner battles?
[00:37:50] Speaker A: That's a good question.
What advice would I give to men who are struggling and need help to get through their inner battles? Is that your question?
[00:38:00] Speaker C: What advice would you give to men who struggle to seek help for their inner battles?
[00:38:14] Speaker A: Take a moment to look at what it is that you want to create in the world. What is the dream that you're scared to dream and write it down.
And then write down three steps.
Break it down into three steps that would make it achievable because.
Or that you could action. Because what I see is that there's no hope. There's a lot of hopelessness, and there's a lot of the problems too big, and I can't navigate my way out of it. So if we anchor into a why, then we start moving towards that. Why?
The problem will shift and everything will start to change.
But when we're in that hopelessness, and for a lot of the men that I work with, they've been repressed. They've been shut down, as I said, like narcissistic or manipulative ex partners. They've been gaslit. They've been, they've struggled, and they don't feel worthy. And so the dreams are so far repressed that we dare not dream them and there's no point. So just pick something that you really want to achieve in your life or that you really want to create and write it down, get it on paper, and then create, you know, three steps to make it happen. And if those three steps aren't achievable, break those three steps down into three more steps each and keep breaking it down until you can action. Just one of those things.
We want tiny, tiny, tiny action steps so that we can take them. Because if we have a big action or a big dream, it's the same as a big problem.
We don't know how to tackle it. We don't know what to do with it. So just keep breaking it down until you've got something that you can just do easily.
That would be my.
[00:40:27] Speaker C: That's a great answer.
[00:40:28] Speaker A: And get support would be the other big thing.
[00:40:32] Speaker C: Absolutely. Absolutely.
How do you measure success when you're working with individuals seeking transformation?
[00:40:43] Speaker A: That's a great question.
I think that depends on the client. For some of them, it looks like the aha. Moments that happen.
For some of them, it is just the feeling that they walk out of. So, you know, just today I had my first session with a new client who's a fitter. He works on a mind site. And the hopelessness, the lost, the feeling like a loser, those things are really high for him at the moment. And he came into that coaching session going, I just don't want to fucking feel like this anymore. This is. I'm so done. And he walked out of that session, first session, going, I feel good. I feel like I can do this. And I was like, that is exceptional, right?
[00:41:32] Speaker C: That's a win.
[00:41:33] Speaker A: Yeah. So I think that those responses, that feedback that says, or the ones that come to me, that come through and say, I'm struggling with this. And I go, well, this is how it's reflecting in you, and this is your responsibility piece and this is your accountability to deal with this part. And they go, fuck that. Also, to me, is a win. Is an exceptional win, because if it's uncomfortable, if it's really difficult to look at, that means that we've pulled out something really big, which means that now that they've seen it, they cannot unsee it, which means they have to work through it, which means that we'll have epic proportions of transformation.
[00:42:21] Speaker C: That's awesome.
[00:42:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:42:23] Speaker C: Yeah.
Obviously this work is changing you. What changes have you noticed in yourself since starting on this journey and helping others who was the image of before in comparison to the Imogen now.
[00:42:40] Speaker A: And an entirely different person?
[00:42:43] Speaker C: Yeah, right.
[00:42:44] Speaker A: Yeah. 100%. I was hot headed, reactive, impulsive, and heavily in the masculine, which is that survival state.
And now I am sitting in a place where I am thoughtful. I am very patient.
I am getting the confidence level of how I speak and what I say and trusting and believing in what it is that I have to offer and creating structure for myself to function in so that I can allow the feminine to come through, so that I can sit and hold that really beautiful feminine space and not feel conflicted by it or, you know, like, I have to be strong and I have to be, you know, be assertive. It's learning to not be competitive and to be compassionate.
And I actually just had my mum here for two weeks stay with me, and she lives in New Zealand, and she just went.
It's remarkable, the change. It's happened so quickly, but it's just this, like, entirely different person.
[00:44:08] Speaker C: Wow.
[00:44:09] Speaker A: For sure. Yeah.
[00:44:11] Speaker C: Do you like yourself more now?
[00:44:15] Speaker A: I think that the difference is that I love myself now. And I didn't then.
[00:44:21] Speaker C: But you didn't know?
[00:44:21] Speaker A: You didn't or I didn't know? I didn't.
I didn't have the information, I didn't have the tools, I didn't have the concepts that I have or the understanding that I have now.
So I was rejecting myself on a regular basis, but I didn't. And I was creating a life that was consistently, you know, self rejection, but I didn't understand that that's what that was.
And now I understand all of those things, but I'm also doing things in a much more comfortable and compassionate way for myself. So I guess the only example or the best example for that would be I was like, previously, I didn't feel like I belonged anywhere. I didn't. I felt, yeah, outcast could never quite find where I fit. And so I worked out a lot to control what my body fit into because that was my way of being able to, you know, control my environment or the way that I fit, but I didn't understand that. And so I had to, like, stop all of those things. And now I've started exercising in a way that is beautiful and, you know, to expand on my ability to hold space for my clients and to be effective as a coach. And so it's like I need to build that energy resource and build my ability to have energy so that I can hold space rather than I need to be fit so that I look a certain way.
Does that make sense?
[00:46:11] Speaker C: Yeah, it does. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You sound more grounded.
[00:46:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I am grounded. I think that might be the distinction, for sure.
Yeah.
[00:46:23] Speaker C: What's your vision for a change channel over the coming years? What do you think is going to happen?
[00:46:30] Speaker A: I want change channel within the next five years to be the number one australian men's coaching business. And in ten years, I would love change channel to be number one in the world for men's coaching and men's empowerment and putting men in that seat of divine masculinity so that they can lead, so that they can be in their power, so that they can be impactful and effective in the world and so that that can spread, so that we're then shifting the way that children are being raised. I want families that are connected with open dialogue and open communication that sits in that emotional independence space. But men raising young boys who understand how to have that emotional independence so that young boys aren't hurting young girls, and so that young girls are coming from fathers who hold their space, hold their accountability and lead, so that young girls are looking for really, you know, like, divine, masculine men out there in the world, so that we're.
That's how we can recalibrate that connectivity and how I can help to impact or shift what I experienced when I was young.
So that that can be exponential out there in the world.
[00:47:52] Speaker C: Wow, that's huge. I'm sure you're going to get there for sure just by the way you talk about it.
[00:47:58] Speaker A: I'm invested for sure.
[00:47:59] Speaker C: There's a big passion there. Good on you. Good on you.
[00:48:02] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:48:05] Speaker C: So we've come to the end of the podcast. Can you tell people how they can find you?
[00:48:10] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. So I am on Instagram and on Facebook at change channel coaching and my website is www.changechannel.com dot au.
And in that I am available for one on one coaching. I am available for one off sessions. I'm holding group coaching and I'm doing workshops as well. And I'm available for speaking opportunities. So I really want to get the message out there in the world so that we can help to shift this, you know, generational pattern and get more men doing more intuitive, passionate, impactful things in the world.
[00:48:53] Speaker C: Excellent. Thank you so much for your sharing today. It was a really good interview as far as I'm concerned. I've really enjoyed talking with you and getting your understanding of what you do and how you actually share your gifts to the world and your service to others. So again, thank you so much. Imitation.
[00:49:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Thank you for having me on CJ. It's been a really cool conversation. I love your questions as well. It's been very thought provoking for me.
[00:49:18] Speaker C: Excellent. Excellent. All right, well, I'll probably have to come back to you in about a year and see how you're going, but I'll just say goodbye.
[00:49:25] Speaker A: Please do.
[00:49:26] Speaker C: I'll just say goodbye, the listeners now and then I'll say goodbye to you. Just 1 second.
I've got to apologize, everyone for this one because if you're on YouTube, you'll see that it looks like I'm burning like under the sun thanks to my video camera that I use for YouTube going wacko. But for those listening, you won't ever notice any difference. So if you've enjoyed the show, please, yeah, reach out to Imogen and please say thanks. I mean, it's amazing the work she's doing and I really appreciate the way that she explains herself because there's a lot of understanding there. Um, and she does so, um, very consciously. And you can hear the caring in her understanding when it comes to, um, men's struggles and their processes that they go through. So if you liked today's show, please also like and subscribe if you're on YouTube. And if you're, um, on the podcast app, give me five stars and follow the show. That'd be really nice. And if you'd like to say some nice words on the show too, please do that. Um, if you have something you'd like to share with the show, um, that's, you know, in this sort of realm of health, healing, consciousness, um, ets, ultra terrestrials, intra terrestrials, yetis, um, sasquatch, um, yowies, anything like that, um, encounters with spirits, whatever that you want to talk about, please reach out to me at supernormalizedroton me. And thank you very much for listening to this episode. Until next episode, it's bye for now.
